Michell Obama's Speech

[tricky]

Originally Posted by xian

You presume GW did nothing to get into school which is not a fair claim.

orly? The man is a fucking dunce. Anti-intellectual would be an apt descriptor also.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by tricky

And yet your perception of Michelle is changed for the worse because she was successful.

1) I was talking about Barak

2) My impression of Michelle is based on a number of speeches I've heard her give - she sounded like a whiner - some one complaining about how hard her life was... going to Princeton, Harvard Law and having to pay back student loans... I'd love to have been so burdened.

[tricky]

Originally Posted by xian

1) I was talking about Barak

2) My impression of Michelle is based on a number of speeches I've heard her give - she sounded like a whiner - some one complaining about how hard her life was... going to Princeton, Harvard Law and having to pay back student loans... I'd love to have been so burdened.

You still managed to become an elite twat.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by tricky

orly? The man is a fucking dunce. Anti-intellectual would be an apt descriptor also.

You as well presume decisions he made which you disagree with make him an idiot. An unfair, unfounded and purely partisan charge that makes you feel better to level. The level and severity of contempt so many feel for him has to be a new entry somewhere in the DSM-IV

Originally Posted by tricky

You still managed to become an elite twat.

no, I didn't I'm smug... big difference. I'm elitist in that I think I know better but I'm not an elite in that I'm in a position to do anything about it.

Originally Posted by tricky

I was just gonna edit that comment to feel that regardless of his decisions( which i truly dislike) I don't think the man is smart and has no desire to search for knowledge. He's closeminded and too christian.

Pre-edit: as Brian likes to say: And you base that on your close working relationship with the man right?

C'mon - you do not and cannot know what you claim. You just hate him because you disagree with him so vigorously. Which is fine, bizarre but fine. But don't transform your contempt into an opinion you've got nothing to support it with.... other than your disagreements.

[tricky]

Originally Posted by xian

You as well presume decisions he made which you disagree with make him an idiot. An unfair, unfounded and purely partisan charge that makes you feel better to level. The level and severity of contempt so many feel for him has to be a new entry somewhere in the DSM-IV

I was just gonna edit that comment to feel that regardless of his decisions( which i truly dislike) I don't think the man is smart and has no desire to search for knowledge. He's closeminded and too religious.

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Originally Posted by xian

That's privilege regardless of how hard you worked to get in.

I won't for one second dismiss her hard work. She strikes me as some one who always worked "that much harder" just to prove herself. I can respect that. .

I don't understand your logic here at all. First you were complaining about how she "somehow manages to complain about how hard her life was" then in the next post you say she was indeed privilaged, but only because she was an incredibly hard worker and made her way to the top because she put herself in that position and that you respect her for it. You can't have it both ways...

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Robin T. Fine

I don't understand your logic here at all. First you were complaining about how she "somehow manages to complain about how hard her life was" then in the next post you say she was indeed privilaged, but only because she was an incredibly hard worker and made her way to the top because she put herself in that position and that you respect her for it. You can't have it both ways...

yes, I can...

perhaps you'd prefer I use the word rarified? I'm using the term privileged in the sense that she had oppotunities few will ever have not in the sense that it was unearned - that clearer?

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Originally Posted by xian

yes, I can...

perhaps you'd prefer I use the word rarified? I'm using the term privileged in the sense that she had oppotunities few will ever have not in the sense that it was unearned - that clearer?

more clear*


And, while more clear, you still are coming off wrong. I agree with what Jonny said. You should have used the word "earned".

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Robin T. Fine

more clear*

ahem: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Clearer

Originally Posted by Robin T. Fine

And, while more clear, you still are coming off wrong. I agree with what Jonny said. You should have used the word "earned".

good lord you nitpicking ninny... she earned opportunities that very few will ever have and seems to complain about them.

ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Adj.1.privileged - blessed with privileges; "the privileged few" fortunate - having unexpected good fortune; "other, less fortunate, children died"; "a fortunate choice"

rich - possessing material wealth; "her father is extremely rich"; "many fond hopes are pinned on rich uncles"
underprivileged - lacking the rights and advantages of other members of society
2.privileged - not subject to usual rules or penalties; "a privileged statement" exempt - (of persons) freed from or not subject to an obligation or liability (as e.g. taxes) to which others or other things are subject; "a beauty somehow exempt from the aging process"; "exempt from jury duty"; "only the very poorest citizens should be exempt from income taxes"
3.privileged - confined to an exclusive group; "privy to inner knowledge"; "inside information"; "privileged information" inside, inner
exclusive - excluding much or all; especially all but a particular group or minority; "exclusive clubs"; "an exclusive restaurants and shops"

privileged is a perfectly acceptable word in the context I used it - however - owing to the over all level of literacy here....

clearer is also perfectly acceptable.... as is clearest.

[tricky]

Originally Posted by xian

ahem: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Clearer

bahhaha

Originally Posted by xian

C'mon - you do not and cannot know what you claim. You just hate him because you disagree with him so vigorously. Which is fine, bizarre but fine. But don't transform your contempt into an opinion you've got nothing to support it with.... other than your disagreements.

and as to my evidence. I've listened to the man speak and had 8 years to observe his behavior. I don't need to be his best friend to know that he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

[Otis the Rigger]

Michelle's life was not handed to her. She worked her ass off to be where she was even before meeting Barack. Considering the time period in which it was done as a woman and a black woman at that...to pull herself up by her bootstraps, gun it out at Harvard Law, make a name for herself, and still head back to Chicago to help others back home...now that's the shit. Granted times have changed and things have progressed, but that shit still wasn't easy then...for someone young, poor, black, and female.

She's not whining at all. When she speaks of such things, it's always clearly with humility and reverence for the opportunities provided to her through hard work and luck.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by tricky

bahhaha


and as to my evidence. I've listened to the man speak and had 8 years to observe his behavior. I don't need to be his best friend to know that he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

And if I followed you around for 8 years recording everthing you said we'd probably begin to wonder if you were a native english speaker or just retarded

[confucius]

Originally Posted by xian

1) I was talking about Barak

2) My impression of Michelle is based on a number of speeches I've heard her give - she sounded like a whiner - some one complaining about how hard her life was... going to Princeton, Harvard Law and having to pay back student loans... I'd love to have been so burdened.

smells like jealousy to me. the use of the term privileged is correct by def. #3, albeit on the other hand you must admit...she is Rare. I believe wholeheartedly, that you are for Michelle rather then against, but an aire of superiority resides in the choice of words and the way you present your argument.

For an average Caucasian male to go to Princeton and Harvard is privileged by all definitions...

For Michelle to do it...is EXTRAORDINARY!

have it both ways or pick the road in the middle of two polar opposites...

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Otis the Rigger

Michelle's life was not handed to her. She worked her ass off to be where she was even before meeting Barack. Considering the time period in which it was done as a woman and a black woman at that...to pull herself up by her bootstraps, gun it out at Harvard Law, make a name for herself, and still head back to Chicago to help others back home...now that's the shit.

Actually she did big firm law right out of law school (http://www.sidley.com/home.aspx)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Obama#Career

that's not to say she hasn't done charitable work -she has and deserves credit for that but you made it sound like she gave up a chance at a big dollar career to work with poor people... that's ain't the case.

Originally Posted by Otis the Rigger

Granted times have changed and things have progressed, but that shit still wasn't easy then...for someone young, poor, black, and female.

Who the hell said it was easy. I said she had opportunities that very few will ever have and that she came across as complaining about her experience.... never having been proud to be an American and all...

Originally Posted by Otis the Rigger

She's not whining at all. When she speaks of such things, it's always clearly with humility and reverence for the opportunities provided to her through hard work and luck.

like I said, different people can hear it differently - I'll agree to disagree

Originally Posted by confucius

smells like jealousy to me. the use of the term privileged is correct by def. #3, albeit on the other hand you must admit...she is Rare. I believe wholeheartedly, that you are for Michelle rather then against, but an aire of superiority resides in the choice of words and the way you present your argument.

For an average Caucasian male to go to Princeton and Harvard is privileged by all definitions...

For Michelle to do it...is EXTRAORDINARY!

have it both ways or pick the road in the middle of two polar opposites...

dude - it is remarkable, rare, fortunate and a privilege for ANYONE to get to go Harvard Law. If you want to add extraordinary to Michelle - ok. But that doesn't knock out the other terms.

Originally Posted by confucius

complaining is subjective interpretation of those statements...
one could say that she was complaining,
or one could say that she was merely showing empathy for others through experience

as I said, different people can hear different things... she gave me the impression of some one complaining

Originally Posted by confucius

it is also my experience that others attack qualities in me, that they themselves lack.

I'm not saying that xian was actually attacking with his statements, but it seems that way to most.

I wasn't attacking I was noting my impression. I don't like her politics ne iota so I'd be perfectly happy attacking her comments but that's a matter of ideas not some phantom you're conjuring up

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Well I for one am shocked that Xian disapproves of something somebody who is going to be the 24/7 ear of the man in the highest office, is saying.