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Deff Gordon · 09-02-08, 07:53 PM

kinda hard to run for VP of the US of A when you wanted to secede from the country.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...e=search_story

THE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY.... What may prove to be the single most damaging angle to Sarah Palin's role on the Republican Party ticket? There are quite a few contenders (ethics scandal, earmarks, inexperience, outside-the-mainstream views), but following up on Hilzoy's item from last night, Palin's association with the Alaska Independence Party might be the most politically detrimental.

It's practically impossible to make a "Country First" argument when your running mate is affiliated with a political party that puts country second.

Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which since the 1970s has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

"We are a state's rights party," Clark -- a self-employed goldminer -- tells ABC News. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

For all the talk about Barack and Michelle Obama's patriotism, John McCain's running mate was a member of a political party that liked the idea of seceding from the United States altogether. It's the kind of idea that would have been more common in the 1850s.

Advocating secession is, practically by definition, un-American. How does the right go after Obama's patriotism while supporting a ticket with a candidate who joined a secessionist party?

We are, after all, talking about a party founded by a man who said, "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." The same man, AIP founder Joe Vogler, also said, "[T]he fires of Hell are glaciers compared to my hate for the American government."

How is this any better than Jeremiah Wright? Why would Sarah Palin voluntarily join this man's political party?

Complicating matters, Marc Ambinder has a video of a AIP leader explaining that party members "must 'infiltrate' -- his words -- the other two parties and push for the cause of Alaskan independence."

I suspect McCain and his aides didn't know about any of this. Indeed, they couldn't have -- they didn't vet her. But now that this revelation has come to light, what's the defense?

Funkenstein · 09-02-08, 07:55 PM

Well since this is all her, it CAN be targeted. It isn't her daughter and it isn't made up.

Laughter online.

Between the Dems stumbles and the Repub false bravado, who REALLY is winning in this election? I don't know if America really is.

charlie brown · 09-02-08, 08:01 PM

dems stumbles?

Funkenstein · 09-02-08, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matias

dems stumbles?

Democratic stumbles in the way of controlling their words (i.e. Michelle Obama) and Barack's having to change his initial zeal and support for intervention from his Middle Eastern trip of a month back.

That is just relating to him alone. I'm keeping score on both sides of the mudslinging war even if I do lean to the left.

charlie brown · 09-02-08, 08:06 PM

I'm sayin tho... are those "stumbles" you've mentioned even comparable to the clusterfuck that has been the republican campaign these last few months?

Funkenstein · 09-02-08, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matias

I'm sayin tho... are those "stumbles" you've mentioned even comparable to the clusterfuck that has been the republican campaign these last few months?

It's all comparable. We (again note my lefty lean, that would make a great dance, LOL) haven't had to make our spin doctors work as hard as the Repubs, but we still have a large PR hurdle to hop over. The race isn't settled by a long shot.

It's time like this that one must wonder,

WWGSD?*

*What would George Stephanopoulos do?

PETA · 09-02-08, 09:07 PM

I've said it before - or something like it anyway - the winner is going to be the one who shots the fewest holes in themself by November

Damnsammit · 09-03-08, 02:22 AM

xian, why the fuck did you change your name?

Funkenstein · 09-03-08, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damnsammit

xian, why the fuck did you change your name?

Wasn't his call. Another victim of DDMocracy.

PETA · 09-03-08, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deff Gordon

kinda hard to run for VP of the US of A when you wanted to secede from the country.

Regarding that specific point... the further right the voter the more they'll be excited to vote for her.

Made me happier to know McCain picked her.

hell, I'm a sucessionist in the right mood... so are a lot of the voters who here to now said "fuck you" to McCain - he's got their attention now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sexual Chocolate

Wasn't his call. Another victim of DDMocracy.

huh?

Deff Gordon · 09-03-08, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

Regarding that specific point... the further right the voter the more they'll be excited to vote for her.

Made me happier to know McCain picked her.

hell, I'm a sucessionist in the right mood... so are a lot of the voters who here to now said "fuck you" to McCain - he's got their attention now.

you spin well. the force is strong with this one.

PETA · 09-03-08, 10:56 AM

I wasn't kidding

charlie brown · 09-03-08, 01:26 PM

I can see xian's point of state power over federal power

but to use that as a justification to accept her wish of seceding? come on man - you're reaching

PETA · 09-03-08, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matias

I can see xian's point of state power over federal power

but to use that as a justification to accept her wish of seceding? come on man - you're reaching

I have no clue what you are trying to say

oh, ftr - she was never a member of that party.... sadly.... it was her husband who was a member.... kudos for him

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h...bwWBwD92UTA501

charlie brown · 09-03-08, 01:34 PM

where is the correction?

edit: nice edit

09-02-08, 07:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
Deff Gordon ipodfood.com Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: North Dallas Posts: 21,536	Sarah Palin was a member of The Alaska Independence Party kinda hard to run for VP of the US of A when you wanted to secede from the country. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...e=search_story THE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY.... What may prove to be the single most damaging angle to Sarah Palin's role on the Republican Party ticket? There are quite a few contenders (ethics scandal, earmarks, inexperience, outside-the-mainstream views), but following up on Hilzoy's item from last night, Palin's association with the Alaska Independence Party might be the most politically detrimental. It's practically impossible to make a "Country First" argument when your running mate is affiliated with a political party that puts country second. Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which since the 1970s has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always." Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time. "We are a state's rights party," Clark -- a self-employed goldminer -- tells ABC News. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law." For all the talk about Barack and Michelle Obama's patriotism, John McCain's running mate was a member of a political party that liked the idea of seceding from the United States altogether. It's the kind of idea that would have been more common in the 1850s. Advocating secession is, practically by definition, un-American. How does the right go after Obama's patriotism while supporting a ticket with a candidate who joined a secessionist party? We are, after all, talking about a party founded by a man who said, "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." The same man, AIP founder Joe Vogler, also said, "[T]he fires of Hell are glaciers compared to my hate for the American government." How is this any better than Jeremiah Wright? Why would Sarah Palin voluntarily join this man's political party? Complicating matters, Marc Ambinder has a video of a AIP leader explaining that party members "must 'infiltrate' -- his words -- the other two parties and push for the cause of Alaskan independence." I suspect McCain and his aides didn't know about any of this. Indeed, they couldn't have -- they didn't vet her. But now that this revelation has come to light, what's the defense? __________________ free music @ iPodFood.com upload your music/dj sets here for possible inclusion on edgeclub & iPodFood

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charlie brown Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 15,860	dems stumbles? __________________

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charlie brown Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 15,860	I'm sayin tho... are those "stumbles" you've mentioned even comparable to the clusterfuck that has been the republican campaign these last few months? __________________

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Damnsammit Suicide Survivor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: work Posts: 8,958	xian, why the fuck did you change your name? __________________ You are an idiot.

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charlie brown Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 15,860	I can see xian's point of state power over federal power but to use that as a justification to accept her wish of seceding? come on man - you're reaching __________________

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PETA an apparition Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 38,665	I've said it before - or something like it anyway - the winner is going to be the one who shots the fewest holes in themself by November

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PETA an apparition Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 38,665	I wasn't kidding

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charlie brown Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 15,860	where is the correction? edit: nice edit __________________

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