Is there a designer?

[Sinner]

I wanna start another god-no god efight!
(plus I did all the work to google this stats and I don't want them ignored! lol)

odds:
1 : 280,000 - being struck by lightning
1 : 49,836,032 - chance of hitting texas lotto

1 : 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 - chance of life happening on earth (in round #s)

13,730,000,000 - years of the universe (give or take 150mil)



So that means every year a hand full of things had to line up perfectly for life to happen. Gravitational pull has to be constant. Radiation levels have to be right. Distance in between stars have to be right. Distance of planet to the sun has to be right. Size of the planet has to be right. The type of galaxy has to be right. Sun age/size... (and a whole lot of other stuff WAY over my head) blah blah blah blah blah...


A big aethesist from back in the day say:
"We are as much a product of blind forces as is the falling of a stone to Earth or the ebb and flow of the tides. We have just happened, and man was made flesh by a long series of singularly beneficial accidents." -Julian Huxley



Now... when I look at ALL those factors, and look at the age of the universe, I can not accept that all those "series of singularly beneficial" events were "accidental".

Hows that for logic, bitches?

[david austin]

the architect

[Sinner]

Originally Posted by david austin

the architect

he wears a little funny wizard hat.

[Keith P]

If you're going to use statistics to rationalize the existence of the judeo-christian god I won't even entertain the discussion.

If you're alluding to an impersonal god the discussion is worth having for the sake of wondering.

[Funkenstein]

Originally Posted by MicahB

A big aethesist from back in the day say

What is that in the bold?



Try again if you want the fracas to begin properly.

[C-fer]

13/14 Billion years is a long time yo. I'm willing to believe that we sprung out of some primordial ooze.
Though that still doesn't prove that there is or isn't a higher being.

[Keith P]

Went to see the new Bill Maher flick last night btw. He held alot of discussions w/ christian theologians that would definitely interest yahweh lovers. I've heard the arguments put forth far more eloquently but he conveyed them well for a popcorn audience.

[charlie brown]

are you saying that you can not accept that winning the lottery and being hit by lightning are accidental?

because both happen multiple times PER YEAR meaning that if the universe has existed for 13,730,000,000 then your small odds of life on a planet have had enough times to occur many times over

[Sinner]

Originally Posted by Keith P

If you're going to use statistics to rationalize the existence of the judeo-christian god I won't even entertain the discussion.

If you're alluding to an impersonal god the discussion is worth having for the sake of wondering.

I don't think I mentioned anything about Christ.

First question is if we came about from design or chance.

Originally Posted by DjKrispy

13/14 Billion years is a long time yo. I'm willing to believe that we sprung out of some primordial ooze.
Though that still doesn't prove that there is or isn't a higher being.

13/14B is a long time.

Lotta things gotta go right, too.

If you aren't impressed by those numbers like I am, then have fun in hell, heathen!

Originally Posted by Sexual Chocolate

What is that in the bold?



Try again if you want the fracas to begin properly.

shut your mouf!

[Sinner]

Originally Posted by matias

are you saying that you can not accept that winning the lottery and being hit by lightning are accidental?

because both happen multiple times PER YEAR meaning that if the universe has existed for 13,730,000,000 then your small odds of life on a planet have had enough times to occur many times over

I'm saying do you think you're going to be hit by lightening?
Do you think you're going to win the lotto?
Whats the chance of you living through falling w/o a parachute opening? Would you risk a jump from a plane w/o one?

And the chance of life happening is MUCH lower than those odds.

Again, compare the odds to how old the universe is.
That's a shit ton of things that have to line up EVERY year. Not like one thing a year has to go right... but a hand full of things have to line up.

Like everything is set up for the intent of life springing up.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by MicahB

he wears a little funny wizard hat.

Chuck.... he wears a Geghis Khan suit too



try this one out Micah.... genetic mutations occur at a demonstrable rate. Given the age of the planet and further the rough earliest date at which their is evidence of life... how many mutations could have occured and could that number be sufficient for current biodiversity?

Also, I've always wondered... life, when it spouted out that thing not life.. How did it know it needed to make more of itself?

Lastly, if there is life out of not life where is that really close intermediary... that almost life that life came from? (and ftr - the primordial ooze theory where the dude cooked up some amino acids in a beaker.... it has been a dead end and afaik the guy who did it abandoned the line of research)

Anyway - we all know people who believe in God are stupid so I don't think you even understand your own questions.

Originally Posted by matias

are you saying that you can not accept that winning the lottery and being hit by lightning are accidental?

because both happen multiple times PER YEAR meaning that if the universe has existed for 13,730,000,000 then your small odds of life on a planet have had enough times to occur many times over

The odds of some one winning the lotto are 1. It is a guaranteed certainty.

Originally Posted by Keith P

If you're going to use statistics to rationalize the existence of the judeo-christian god I won't even entertain the discussion.

If you're alluding to an impersonal god the discussion is worth having for the sake of wondering.

lol - Keith you fucking snob


ftr - statistical proof of God doesn't exist. However, when the odds of something spontaneously occuring are so remote it suggests intent or design rather than pur chance. Still, that's no proof of God - just something interesting to ponder.

[charlie brown]

I'm not saying I think or don't think that I will be hit by lightning or that I will win the lotto

I am saying that those two events happen on multiple occasions from year to year. so if the odds of those two things happening is small yet in the span of 12 months both happen more than once then in 14 billion years life must also happen if there is any sort of odds for it to happen

[PETA]

Originally Posted by matias

I'm not saying I think or don't think that I will be hit by lightning or that I will win the lotto

I am saying that those two events happen on multiple occasions from year to year. so if the odds of those two things happening is small yet in the span of 12 months both happen more than once then in 14 billion years life must also happen if there is any sort of odds for it to happen

the odds of the lottery being won is one... it must happen.

Now, what are the odds of you winning the lottery and getting struck by lightning?

[charlie brown]

I see what you're saying xian ... well consider every planet a lotto player, one of them is going to win the lotto

[PETA]

Originally Posted by matias

I see what you're saying xian ... well consider every planet a lotto player, one of them is going to win the lotto

No. A lotto has a small (in relative terms) number of participants from whom one (at least) must win. That's not the case with life occuring. There is no guarantee that it must occur anywhere.