John McCain on abortion

[reason]

just for those of you who have jumped on the wagon because of his "current" stance...

courtesy of good ole Chuck Baldwin...

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c200..._20080822.html







Once again, "pro-life" Christians are doing back flips to try and justify their compromise of the life issue by trying to convince everyone (including themselves) that John McCain is truly pro-life. However, these same people know in their hearts that John McCain shares no fidelity to the life issue in any significant or meaningful way. Like many in the Republican Party, McCain's commitment to life is about as deep as a mud puddle.

Dare I remind everyone that the "pro-life" GOP controlled the entire federal government from 2000 to 2006 and nothing was done to overturn Roe v. Wade or end legal abortion-on-demand? When George W. Bush took the oath of office in January of 2001, over one million innocent unborn babies were being murdered in the wombs of their mothers every year via legal abortions in this country. And when George W. Bush leaves office in January of 2009, over one million innocent unborn babies would still be murdered in the wombs of their mothers every year via legal abortions in this country. Eight years of a "pro-life" President and six years of the "pro-life" GOP in charge of the entire federal government and not one unborn baby's life has been saved. Roe v. Wade is still the law of the land, and abortion-on-demand is still legal in America.

Had John McCain and his fellow Republicans truly wanted to end legal abortion, they could have passed Congressman Ron Paul's Sanctity of Life Act. Year after year, Dr. Paul introduced this bill, and year after year, it sat and collected dust in the document room on Capitol Hill.

What would Congressman Paul's bill do? It would do two things: 1) It would define life as beginning at conception and, thus, declare the personhood of every pre-born child. 2) Under Article. III. Section. 2. of the U.S. Constitution, it would remove abortion from the jurisdiction of the Court. In practical terms, Dr. Paul's bill would overturn Roe v. Wade and end legal abortion-on-demand. So, where was John McCain? Why did he not support Ron Paul's bill and introduce a companion bill in the U.S. Senate?

How can John McCain, and his fellow Republicans in Washington, D.C., look pro-life Christians and conservatives in the eye in 2008 and expect that we take them seriously when they say that they are "pro-life"? If the GOP had truly wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and end legal abortion-on-demand, they could have already done it. They controlled the White House, the U.S. Senate, and the House of Representatives for six long years, for goodness sake. The reason they did not do it is because they did not want to do it. They merely want to use "pro-life" rhetoric as a campaign tool to dupe gullible Christian voters every election year. And the disgusting thing about it is--it works.

The vast majority of notable "pro-life" leaders in the country are now trumpeting the candidacy of John McCain. And the best challenge they can come up with is "McCain better not pick a 'pro-choice' Vice President." Oh, shut up (to quote Jay Leno)!

John McCain openly embraces embryonic stem cell research. In 2000, he boldly said he did not favor the overturn of Roe v. Wade. John McCain was a member of the infamous "Gang of 14" senators from both parties whose purpose was to oppose pro-life, strict constructionist judges.

Speaking of judges, John McCain voted for the pro-abortion justice, Stephen Breyer, and the radical, pro-abortion, ACLU attorney, Ruth Bader Ginsburg. So much for the argument that we need John McCain for the sake of appointing conservative justices to the Supreme Court. For that matter, Republican appointments dominated the Court that gave us Roe v. Wade and the one that later gave us Doe v. Bolton. Proving, once again, that the Republican Party, as a whole, has no real commitment to the life issue.

John McCain also gave us McCain-Feingold. This is the law that keeps pro-life or pro-Second Amendment organizations from broadcasting ads that mention a candidate by name 30 days before a primary election or 60 days before a general election. This proves that John McCain believes neither in the right to life nor the right to keep and bear arms. (This is one reason why the Gun Owners of America gives McCain a grade of F.)

In a debate with George W. Bush in May of 2000, John McCain attacked Bush's support for the pro-life plank in the Republican Party. Still today, John McCain believes that babies who are conceived via rape or incest should be murdered. I remind readers, however, that there are no "exceptions" in the womb, only babies.

If all of the above is not enough, as a senator, John McCain has repeatedly voted to fund pro-abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood with federal tax dollars. In fact, McCain has voted to use federal tax dollars to support abortion providers at home and overseas. Yes, this "pro-life" senator (along with "pro-life" President, George W. Bush) has significantly increased federal spending for abortion providers to levels eclipsing even the appropriations authorized by President Bill Clinton and his fellow Democrats.

John McCain also supports the United Nations, which not only works to strip the United States of its independence and sovereignty, and banish our right to keep and bear arms, but is also the most radical, pro-abortion organization in the entire world. More babies have been aborted around the world under the auspices of the U.N. than any other single entity.

[St. Stalin the Apathetic]

Here's what I understand about McCain and abortion. He's generally been a solid but silent pro-life vote. He votes consistently on the pro-life side but has never taken to the floor to advocate for a pro-life bill and has in fact often taken steps to prevent pro-life legislation from making it out of committee. He's not perfect by the right to life crowd's measure.

However, if this issue matters and one's vote turns on it and one is pro-life there's no other choice. Obama is so far to the left on this one its embarassing to him. He's called people who noted his record liars (though he's since retracted those statements when presented with the facts). He voted against a bill in the Illinios state legislature that would have mandated medical treatment for babies born after botched abortions.... http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...fanticide.html

The link addresses a charge that Obama supports infanticide - which he of course does not - however - its a hairsbreath away. Denial of treatment in the cases at issue will result in death. There is no intentional act causing a babie's death but there is puposeful neglect causing it. At criminal law that'd be called depraved heart or some such thing... and form the requisite intent for a jury to find a crime having been committed.

[matias]

I love this article

[reason]

yea ... i saw an interview where he was asked why he supported late-term abortion.

his answer was about as political as you can get

Last year, after the Supreme Court upheld a federal ban on late- term abortions, Obama said he "strongly disagreed" with the ruling because it "dramatically departs form previous precedents safeguarding the health of pregnant women."

if the mother is in real danger, then the doctors will ask her to make a decision then..... this is supporting a "head it off at the pass" mentality.

[BigBallinColin]

I guess its all those doctors that say it can be helpful to the women are just fucked up doctors that like to do abortions. it looks in the artical that he didn't oppose the idea as long as it also protected the right to choose, which I totally agree with, though I do hope people get their shit together someday and we don't have to do that anymore.

[matias]

I hope that one day doctors require mothers to provide proof of financial stability or they purposely abort their babies

[Nyteshade]

Originally Posted by matias

I hope that one day doctors require mothers to provide proof of financial stability or they purposely abort their babies

Maybe we should limit it to one child per household and if a couple tries to have a child without knowledge of the state, the doctor is waiting with a syringe to kill it before it takes a breath, eh comrade?

[BigBallinColin]

Originally Posted by Nyteshade

Maybe we should limit it to one child per household and if a couple tries to have a child without knowledge of the state, the doctor is waiting with a syringe to kill it before it takes a breath, eh comrade?

yes because communist russia was all about abortions. I am pretty sure stalin was more entertained killing actual people.

[St. Stalin the Apathetic]

Originally Posted by BigBallinColin

yes because communist russia was all about abortions. I am pretty sure stalin was more entertained killing actual people.

Not so much limiting families in the Soviet Union but communist China does carry out forced abortions.

Originally Posted by Nyteshade

Maybe we should limit it to one child per household and if a couple tries to have a child without knowledge of the state, the doctor is waiting with a syringe to kill it before it takes a breath, eh comrade?

Da! But we wouldn't force an abortion for the unlicensed offspring. The state being the grantor of all things would simply assume guardianship and enroll the child in Комсомол.

[umalak_]

we dont need to abort ALL babies, just babies of christian parents.

[Nyteshade]

Originally Posted by BigBallinColin

yes because communist russia was all about abortions. I am pretty sure stalin was more entertained killing actual people.

I know it's a difficult concept but there's more than one communist country with a large track record of fucked up shit.

[Nyteshade]

Originally Posted by umalak_

we dont need to abort ALL babies, just babies of christian parents.

And here come's Kalamu showing once again he can spout off hateful bullshit that rivals even the Westboro Baptist Church.

[umalak_]

Originally Posted by Nyteshade

And here come's Kalamu showing once again he can spout off hateful bullshit that rivals even the Westboro Baptist Church.

the babies of all military veterans too

[St. Stalin the Apathetic]

Originally Posted by Nyteshade

I know it's a difficult concept but there's more than one communist country with a large track record of fucked up shit.

Actually... come to think of it... they all do

Originally Posted by umalak_

the babies of all military veterans too

your presence is vile... I can smell the stench of you coming through the moniter you sick fuck. To spew such garbage has to come from somewhere.... you have a hard time finding pretty girls willing to talk to you? We know you have no educational accomplishments or career accomplishments and that could be a source of your spite for people who have both. Or are you just a straight up prick? Probably all and more.

[tricky]

Well, this thread is going downhill fast.