debate

[david austin]

i guess ill be the first to start this

question for xian cause i know you prob this info easily available

what percentage of americans make over 250k (combined)?

i really am curious because 250k isnt exactly wealthy anymore. obama seems to make this out to be this big 'rich' number.

i know many people will probably disagree with me but it really just isnt. a six figure income isnt what it used to be and if you have a combined income return with 2 six figures thats pretty close to getting your ass taxed the hell out of with obama.

*not promoting mccain here... just pointing out some points to start with in this thread

interesting so far

they both have some solid points

[david austin]

oh... and i forgot to add...

is there a way to break that income bracket down between large metro areas and the cost of living in them?

[umalak_]

http://www.dallasdancemusic.com/foru...ama-obama.html

and if you are rich, you dont need the extra scratch. most of you don't really do enough to earn that much anyway.

[david austin]

thats my point... 250k isnt rich

i know couples right out of grad school that make that combined... and they drive hondas and live in 2500 sqft homes and watch their spending.

not even close considering the cost of living in most major areas

and i chose to keep this in a&p so i might actually get some non 'nigu kill dat whitey' type responses

[umalak_]

if you can't have a mortgage, car payment, insurance payment, and a decent standard of living for 2 people with 500k a year then you are doing it wrong

[david austin]

Originally Posted by umalak_

if you can't have a mortgage, car payment, insurance payment, and a decent standard of living for 2 people with 500k a year then you are doing it wrong

do you actually read?

try again... its pretty clear

[umalak_]

ok, you said combined. if a couple makes 250k combined they should have no issue owning a home. they will get a tax break from an Obama administration according to his tax plan. so they will get more help.

[david austin]

Originally Posted by umalak_

ok, you said combined. if a couple makes 250k combined they should have no issue owning a home. they will get a tax break from an Obama administration according to his tax plan. so they will get more help.

i know you arent in this situation... but its not really all that much

and more help yes? oh sweet... a slightly greater home write off

or did i just hear that the ONLY people he was going to raise taxes for was the bracket of 250k+

i would assume this would be substantial considering that taxes pay for all of the plans govt needs to take care of

and again... this fails to take into consideration that 250k in a city like dallas/chicago/la/nyc is just a little bit different than topeka, kansas.

[umalak_]

so you want them to change the tax code depending on the area of the country?

250k is plenty, for a single person or a couple. If you think that's not enough then that is the real problem. You don't need more money than that.

[PETA]

Households w/income over $250k is 2.24M not sure what percentage that is. Also, I believe that's wage earning not wealth. It ignores those who rely on things other than wages to earn income.

http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/03200.../new06_000.htm


$250k is relative. It means a lot more in rural Iowa than it does in SF or NYC. It is a lot of money to some one who hasn't entered the job market as an independent adult - that is to those who are not maximizing their income potential for whatever reason (school, decision to forgo income because other goals matter more etc etc). Its a lot of money to some one who doesn't have rare skills in high demand. Its a lot of money to many people but its not as rare and unusual as Obama likes to represent it.

Originally Posted by david austin

do you know how much it costs to live in a place like nyc?

its the largest metro area in the us.

sorry umalak... but 250k combined just isnt all that much. i know you dont agree and i think thats likely based on your situation... but it really isnt.

Our family would need to more than double its income to approximate our standard of living if we moved to NYC.

Originally Posted by umalak_

so you want them to change the tax code depending on the area of the country?

250k is plenty, for a single person or a couple. If you think that's not enough then that is the real problem. You don't need more money than that.

You're an idiot. You clearly have no understanding of the basic principles of supply and demand.

It is not for some barely employed barely educated barely independent extended adolescent to lecture about what people deserve. When you've actually had people depend on you to support them then you can offer those ridiculous opinions but until then you sound like a whiney indulged cunt.

[david austin]

Originally Posted by umalak_

so you want them to change the tax code depending on the area of the country?

250k is plenty, for a single person or a couple. If you think that's not enough then that is the real problem. You don't need more money than that.

do you know how much it costs to live in a place like nyc?

its the largest metro area in the us.

sorry umalak... but 250k combined just isnt all that much. i know you dont agree and i think thats likely based on your situation... but it really isnt.

[Keith P]

Originally Posted by david austin

do you know how much it costs to live in a place like nyc?

250k a yr in New York...anywhere, isn't half fucking bad...lol. Supporting yourself? Try living under 30,000.

Plano Soccer moms obviously aren't flocking to NY(I'm assuming we're talking about manhattan) to raise their family of 4 for a reason. Anyone raising a sizable family in NY and still living comfortably is obviously making a shit ton of cash.

[shaggy]

Originally Posted by umalak_

so you want them to change the tax code depending on the area of the country?

250k is plenty, for a single person or a couple. If you think that's not enough then that is the real problem. You don't need more money than that.

I concur... I would love to meet a couple with no kids who cannot afford living comfortably for $250,000 a year......They are definitely not doing it right. Granted, $250,000 a year is not what it used to be, but if you are making $250K and driving a Honda and not affording bills, somehow you are ignorant and foolish and to quote Boiler Room, "****** Rich". This is their problem. Those who cannot budget 5x's what I make, ("I drive a Honda, what is wrong with a Honda?"), not being able to pay their bills......these folks do not deserve the cash they obscenely spend and waste and foolishly....oh I give up.... not you Umalak, but to he other guy...."Are you fucking kidding me, that you feel ptiy for a couple making $250,000 a year not making ends meet?!!!!!!!"....Alright, I am done.....

Onto McCain, I do not approve of either of them, but it is ashame that McCain cannot complete a sentence, has no substance and upon his death will bequeath the most powerful seat to some conservative chicken head....although she is fuckin hot.... All intellect that I hold near and dear has gone out the window....McCain is a joke and he continues to choke and destory his campaign that was nothing except a last man left and he will continue to fall on deaf ears.....enjoy your conservative tears when he falls becasue of the American peoples fear..........

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Keith P

250k a yr in New York...anywhere, isn't half fucking bad...lol. Supporting yourself? Try living under 30,000.

250k > 30k true

Want more money? Develop skills in greater demand. Start a business.

250k for a family of 4 in NYC doesn't go very far.... further than 30k but I'd hope people are smart enough to get their financial ducks in a row before having kids where its so expensive to raise them

Originally Posted by shaggy

these folks do not deserve the cash they obscenely spend and waste and foolishly....

"Deserve" is a qualitative term. You think some one shouldn't earn that much but clearly their employers think they should or in the alternative they developed a business that pays them that much which means they figured out how to get it... again... they deserve it.

[david austin]

yeah... single i can see that

again... im getting at combined incomes

look at xian for example

two kids
college savings
retirement
house
cars
insurance
daily life

i can guarantee you that xian makes over 250k a year and hes by no means 'rich'. sure he may not live check to check on ramen... but thats much closer to middle class than rich