Health care

[CrazyBitch]

So watched the debate last night and hear McCain talking about how Barack wants to mandate that business's offer healthcare. They will get a 50% tax cut so they have an easier time paying for it. If they do not get healthcare for their employees they will be fined. I noticed Barack somewhat avoided talking about the fines? Does anyone know more about this?

Is healthcare a right, a responsibility or a privilege?

[Sinner]

I don't like either ones suggestions...

I'm normally against a lot of regulations, but man... there needs to be a lot more control over those evil fuckers.

I understood that if parents have children who are not covered then they will be fined.

[PETA]

don't worry Obama will make everything alright

[CrazyBitch]

Ok I did some research,

http://wire.factcheck.org/2008/10/07...ll-businesses/

McCain said that Obama’s health care plan would mandate that “small businesses” provide coverage for their employees and would fine them if they failed to do so. Actually, Obama’s health care plan, posted on his Web site, says: “Small businesses will be exempt from this requirement.” McCain previously used this charge in his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention.



From Newsweek
On substance, both Obama and McCain had their moments. Obama dominated the health-care discussion, movingly evoking his mother's death from cancer at age 53 to explain why coverage should be a fundamental right for every American. When McCain characterized Obama's approach as "government will do this and government will do that," Obama calmly reiterated that the only mandates in his plan were for children--who, after all, are "relatively cheap to insure and [shouldn't be going] to the emergency room for treatable illnesses like asthma". Continuing, he explained that for everyone else, "if you’ve got a health care plan that you like, you can keep it."

[PETA]

Originally Posted by CrazyBitch

From Newsweek
On substance, both Obama and McCain had their moments. Obama dominated the health-care discussion, movingly evoking his mother's death from cancer at age 53 to explain why coverage should be a fundamental right for every American.

His mom died of cancer so health care should be a right provided by the gov't and this will make health care better and would have saved his mother?

Obama is a promise machine. Be prepared to be disappointed with his results and poorer.

[david austin]

hope and change

hope and change

[CrazyBitch]

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

His mom died of cancer so health care should be a right provided by the gov't and this will make health care better and would have saved his mother?

Obama is a promise machine. Be prepared to be disappointed with his results and poorer.

I'd rather choose Barack as the person I am going to be disappointed by.

[CrazyBitch]

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

His mom died of cancer so health care should be a right provided by the gov't and this will make health care better and would have saved his mother?

Obama is a promise machine. Be prepared to be disappointed with his results and poorer.

Pre- exsisting conditions are bullshit anyways.

[Hey Bubu]

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

don't worry Obama will make everything alright

Magical Negro FTW!!!

[Nyteshade]

children--who, after all, are "relatively cheap to insure

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

They are only cheaper than the elderly, that's it.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by david austin

hope and spare change

hope and spare change

that's about what we'll have left when Obama gets done working his magic

Originally Posted by CrazyBitch

Pre- exsisting conditions are bullshit anyways.

No, they are a fundamental issue with risk assessment and actuarial calculations. Eliminating this destroys the ability of the insurance company to spread risk over a large pool. If you cannot deny coverage you don't have insurance you have socialized medicine.

Look at it this way. If the insurance company cannot deny converage based on a preexisting condition there is zero incentive for anyone to buy insurance until they get sick. That being the case there is no revenue for insurance companies to pay claims.... they only get bills from health care providers followed up by one premium payment from the patient which cannot even remotely come close to paying the bill. See how that works?

[david austin]

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

that's about what we'll have left when Obama gets done working his magic

we as in the only tax payers to pay for it all??

[PETA]

Originally Posted by david austin

we as in the only tax payers to pay for it all??

right, those who actually pay taxes... you know... the rich

[CrazyBitch]

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

that's about what we'll have left when Obama gets done working his magic




No, they are a fundamental issue with risk assessment and actuarial calculations. Eliminating this destroys the ability of the insurance company to spread risk over a large pool. If you cannot deny coverage you don't have insurance you have socialized medicine.

Look at it this way. If the insurance company cannot deny converage based on a preexisting condition there is zero incentive for anyone to buy insurance until they get sick. That being the case there is no revenue for insurance companies to pay claims.... they only get bills from health care providers followed up by one premium payment from the patient which cannot even remotely come close to paying the bill. See how that works?

Yes I understand how that works.
I am just going off my own pre-existing condition experiences.
I think it is BS. Just because I had a tooth pulled with one insurance company, got laid off, got another, they won't cover my bridge.
BS