Child Abuse: Muslims vs Christians

[BradH]

Insane, Religious Child Abuse: Christian vs Muslim Fundies

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[Damnsammit]

Yeah I could only watch about 45 seconds of that before it annoyed me too much.

Cliff notes? Looks like a bunch of typical organized religion nonsense.

[-m-]

Families who raise their kids with hard line, fundamentalist religious values churn out fucked up people. Period.

[confucius]

i don't know which one was worse...

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Damnsammit

Looks like a bunch of typical organized religion nonsense.

Nothing like meaningless overbroad generalizations to condemn the majority of the planet huh?

Originally Posted by -m-

Families who raise their kids with hard line, fundamentalist religious values churn out fucked up people. Period.

Or even a much smaller percentage of the planet. Have any friends that aren't fucked up that grew up in a strictly religious house? I do. Lots of them. Some rejected religion entirely. Some chose a more moderate path while others are quite religious... and none are fucked up.

Originally Posted by confucius

i don't know which one was worse...

I only watched about 2 minutes. But I don't think praying for an end to killing babies through abortion or even the pretty despicable brow beating of kids to get them to behave more properly is on par with discussing how many Jews your mother killed. Call me crazy Idris but while its seemed pretty easy to condemn all that crap distinguishing which was worse wasn't a challenge.

[Club Chance Sucks]

muslims are terrorists.....

[johnny861]

Originally Posted by -m-

Families who raise their kids with hard line, fundamentalist religious values churn out fucked up people. Period.

I dunno, I've met some really fucked up people that grew up in an athiest household and at the same token, met some people that had some screwy religious parents and they basically rebelled against their parents and turned out fine.


I think it's more certain psychological stressors in their environment that affect a child's development.

Don't get me wrong, there is brain washing that goes on out there, but I think it's on a much smaller scale than we tend to hype.

[-m-]

So you guys think that "rebelling" and completely rejecting the world view you were raised with is the standard of normality and that it doesn't leave any negative psychological imprinting on a child? I'm not talking about being raised going to church on Sundays. I was raised Church of Christ and went every Sunday with my grandmother and later on attended a Methodist Church in my teen years. But my parents always taught me and my sister to think for ourselves, and never tried to fill our heads with any sort of bullshit about sex or Jesus riding dinosaurs or any of that. Admittedly, I did move on from Christianity due to a tremendous amount of personal tragedy in my life, and for awhile I hated God until I realized that it wasn't God that I hated but rather the perversion of the idea of God. But I'm not talking about kids like me. Everyone rebels against their parents and goes through stuff like that.

An Evangelical household is a very hostile environment for a child, because Evangelicalism in itself is a very hostile ideology. You raise someone to be alienated from the other 70% of the world that person's going to grow up and have problems. I've seen many kids brought up in these Saddam like rule prison households go absolutely bonkers the moment they get any sort of freedom and exposure to what I refer to as "the real world". Lots of sexual baggage, trust issues and severe drug addiction are what I see the most from that. It's fucked up and I don't think that downplaying that fact of Christian life is going to make it any better.

Just my .02. I'm sure we'll have to agree to disagree on this but that's my feelings based on my experience thus far.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by -m-

So you guys think that "rebelling" and completely rejecting the world view you were raised with is the standard of normality and that it doesn't leave any negative psychological imprinting on a child?

No. I think growing up in a very religious household does not mean that the child will be a fucked up adult.

Originally Posted by -m-

An Evangelical household is a very hostile environment for a child, because Evangelicalism in itself is a very hostile ideology.

I'd take issue with both comments as overbroad generalizations which mischaracterize people of faith. You make a blanket declaration that isn't going to stand up to factual scrutiny.

Originally Posted by -m-

You raise someone to be alienated from the other 70% of the world that person's going to grow up and have problems. I've seen many kids brought up in these Saddam like rule prison households go absolutely bonkers the moment they get any sort of freedom and exposure to what I refer to as "the real world".

From a cat who usually brings pretty wll grounded reason to his posts you certainly leap off the rails when you call evangelical homes "Saddam like prison(s)." lol

Originally Posted by -m-

Just my .02. I'm sure we'll have to agree to disagree on this but that's my feelings based on my experience thus far.

I think that's exactly it - those are your feelings - but you're reporting them as facts.

[-m-]

I think you're taking my statements as blanket statements when really they're just statements about a certain type of Christian. They are my feelings, based on my experiences with people. By no stretch of the imagination do I believe that all Christian households are run like that, but I knew a few kids growing up who had parents who were overbearing in the religious aspect (amongst other things) and I'm pretty sure they've got some baggage from it. How could you not?

[PETA]

Originally Posted by -m-

I think you're taking my statements as blanket statements when really they're just statements about a certain type of Christian.

They were pretty broad Miles. I don't think I misread them to be applicable to all Evangelicals did I?

Originally Posted by -m-

They are my feelings, based on my experiences with people. By no stretch of the imagination do I believe that all Christian households are run like that, but I knew a few kids growing up who had parents who were overbearing in the religious aspect (amongst other things) and I'm pretty sure they've got some baggage from it. How could you not?

I can buy all of that. However, what I read in your prior comments was 1) Evangelical faith is hostile... 2) Evangelical households are therefore hostile and as a result 3) produce fucked up kids.

I agree fucked up parents can pruduce fucked up kids but being Evangelican doesn't guarantee that result nor does its absence guarantee non-fucked up kids.

A few... sure... how, as you say, could it not.

[-m-]

No, you misread what I said. A lot of super crazy Christians are Evangelicals, I don't think all of them are abusive to their kids. Or most of them even. I do think the Evangelical perspective is hostile in its nature though. I think some of them take the "God's chosen" thing a little too literally. It doesn't make them bad people, they're just misled in that aspect, imo.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by -m-

No, you misread what I said. A lot of super crazy Christians are Evangelicals, I don't think all of them are abusive to their kids. Or most of them even.

lol... so you didn't mean ALL evangelicals when you said...

Originally Posted by -m-

An Evangelical household is a very hostile environment for a child, because Evangelicalism in itself is a very hostile ideology.

and

Originally Posted by -m-

I do think the Evangelical perspective is hostile in its nature though.

When you say "The evangelical perspective" Miles you didn't qualify it with "some" or "a few." "The evangelical" is inclusive. As in the Green Bay Pakers defense sucks ass. I didn't mean only some of it sucks I mean the defense as a whole sucks ass. You might wish to call this semantics but I'd say it is the distinction between what you mean and what you said.

Originally Posted by -m-

I think some of them take the "God's chosen" thing a little too literally. It doesn't make them bad people, they're just misled in that aspect, imo.

Some surely do...

[-m-]

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

When you say "The evangelical perspective" Miles you didn't qualify it with "some" or "a few." "The evangelical" is inclusive. As in the Green Bay Packers defense sucks ass. I didn't mean only some of it sucks I mean the defense as a whole sucks ass. You might wish to call this semantics but I'd say it is the distinction between what you mean and what you said.

That's valid. But I think you know what I meant the entire time.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by -m-

That's valid. But I think you know what I meant the entire time.

I thought I did... that's why I was buggin' ya