novus ordo seclorum

[TheAmazon]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7979918.stm


New world order emerges from chaos

By Paul Reynolds
World affairs correspondent, BBC News website

Slowly the shape of the world after the financial flood is beginning to emerge.

The first thing to be said is that everyone is in the same boat. And they have to bail together. This contrasts to the old days when capitalists and communists exchanged insults as their ships passed in the night.

The worst threat at this G20 summit was a remark by French President Nicolas Sarkozy that he would walk out if there was not better regulation of banks and financial markets, not exactly the kind of casus belli that plunged Europe into war nearly 100 years ago. We have moved on. Nor did he walk out. Indeed, he was pleased, he said, at the result.

The Franco-German analysis might well have been right. But being right about the past does not mean that you alone can put right the future. The European Union as a whole, normally so free in its advice to all and sundry, was a bit chastened, with many newer and some older members on the verge of or in financial crisis.

We have moved on too from the 1930s, when depression helped fuel the rise of dictatorships. Whether the world solves its financial crisis this time has yet to be determined, but the players at least seem to have learned some lessons.

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[johnny861]

Something about you writing latin turns me on... just saying...

[universol]

Does this mean Armageddon next?

[2dj's1cup]

i read an article yesterday,cant remember where some leader actually said we are getting ready for a new world order. I dont think he met i like that it was just a strange choice of words. i wil try to find article

[BradH]

NWO would be awesome

[Hey Bubu]

I think that whatever ends up happening it will be radically different from the old model of wealth and "control"

I doubt a whole world government will happen any time soon.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

I think that whatever ends up happening it will be radically different from the old model of wealth and "control"

I doubt that very much.

On first sign of impending crisis the EU had their emergency meetings and the Union in essence fell apart with each member jumping ship to deal with its own problems as individual states rather than as an economic union.

People holding weaker currencies dumped their cash into the dollar mostly and the Japanese Yen.

etc etc etc etc

That stuff all looks very much like business as usual rather than an abandoned old model and something radically new.

[Hey Bubu]

I think that we are far from seeing the end results of this mess.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

I think that we are far from seeing the end results of this mess.

Really going out on a limb there aren't you

That doesn't mean we're going to have a radically altered landscape when the economic recovery gets underway.

[Hey Bubu]

What time scale are you using, 2yrs, 5- 10...?

[PETA]

take your pick...

I'm saying there will be some tinkering w/regs but the landscape will remain very familiar and consistent over all of those time frames.

You say, "Mais non!" Well, what will be cast aside? What will be added? What time scale?

[Hey Bubu]

Time scale - 5 to 10 yrs
What will happen, what will it look like? I've no idea.

Issues that I think will be very relevant across the board:

5 million people and counting without jobs in the US alone
Shift of economic power - I think we'll see several "super powers"
We have exceeded the production capacity of the planet to sustain us.
Weather changes will fuck up our short and long term plans

All these things; I think, will affect our overall economic environment.

[Hey Bubu]

Coincidentally enough I landed on this:

http://www.hplusmagazine.com/article...tgage-meltdown

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

Time scale - 5 to 10 yrs
What will happen, what will it look like? I've no idea.

So no clue how it will be radically different just certain that it will be?

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

Issues that I think will be very relevant across the board:

5 million people and counting without jobs in the US alone
Shift of economic power - I think we'll see several "super powers"

Based on what evidence? Our economy dwarfs all others. The EU can be said to be on par but as we've seen... their union is skin deep and crumbles in crisis.

Our manufacturing base often maligned also dwarfs the remainder of the world

According to the Department of Labor (sourcing the United Nations United Nations, National Accounts Main Aggregates Database, http://unstats.un.org/) citing 2005 data the U.S. accounts for 20.6% of the worlds manufacturing nearly 1.5 times that of the 2nd largest (Japan 13.3%) and over twice 3rd largest (Germany 8.2%). The aggregate combination of the EU-15

http://www.dol.gov/asp/media/reports...ufacturing.htm

Its cliche but true... we catch a cold the rest of the world worries about pneumonia.

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

We have exceeded the production capacity of the planet to sustain us.

Based on what evidence? No one is freezing in the cold nor starving for want of our ability to feed, clothe and house people.

Further population projections see the planet peeking somewhere around 2050 and sharply declining thereafter. Much of Europe has a birth rate of 1.3 "lowest low" a rate from which no society has ever recovered. Europe will still be there in 2100 but the europeans will be a minority group. Fewer people means we need fewer resources. Our production capacity is not a danger.

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

Weather changes will fuck up our short and long term plans

Bullshit. Even if true it won't compell radically altering our economic landscape.

Convince me though - how will weather change, to what effect and how will we make radical changes to adjust?

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

All these things; I think, will affect our overall economic environment.

I don't. I offered why they won't.

What we'll see is a growing importance, on a global scale, of the US. No one can compete with us directly. We country space. We control the world's oceans and shipping lanes. We've got the largest economy, manufacturing sector and finance industry. We're not likely to cede that position willfully and no one can take it from us by force.

[Hey Bubu]

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

So no clue how it will be radically different just certain that it will be?

I have some ideas as to what may happen.

Local economies will become stronger, some may even begin printing their own money. Not unlike what happened during the depression. A sort of barter economy may sprout again.

Our economy and the rest of the world's economy; for the most part, is highly interwoven. I think the hubris of the US as a whole will begin to crumble. Depending on how the economy is handled I think we may even go the way of Argentina.

From my POV, I am seeing many parallels in the current US landscape, to what has happened in 3rd world countries. We will see a bigger and bigger disparity between the have and have nots; and I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing wealthy people being kidnapped and held for ransom.

Based on what evidence? No one is freezing in the cold nor starving for want of our ability to feed, clothe and house people.

Are we talking US or the world?

Further population projections see the planet peeking somewhere around 2050 and sharply declining thereafter. Much of Europe has a birth rate of 1.3 "lowest low" a rate from which no society has ever recovered. Europe will still be there in 2100 but the europeans will be a minority group. Fewer people means we need fewer resources. Our production capacity is not a danger.

Bullshit. Even if true it won't compell radically altering our economic landscape.

Convince me though - how will weather change, to what effect and how will we make radical changes to adjust?

http://peakfood.co.uk/what%E2%80%99s-peak-food/

http://www.govnet.co.uk/news/govnet/...ech-at-sduk-09

http://www.livescience.com/environme...1_gw_life.html


Also tell me, where are the 5million plus people without jobs going to go? how are they going to do to make a living?