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Old 05-29-09, 10:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Gen. Petraeus: Well, actually what I would ask is, does that not take away from our enemies a tool which again have beaten us around the head and shoulders in the court of public opinion? When we have taken steps that have violated the Geneva Conventions, we rightly have been criticized, so as we move forward I think it's important to again live our values, to live the agreements that we have made in the international justice arena and to practice those.
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Old 05-30-09, 01:04 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Petraeus believes America violated Geneva Convention

The comment would be more interesting if he gave some specific reference to when, where and how what provision was violated.

I don't question his expertise as a general. I want him to be able to effectively project force and control territory or people or gov'ts etc. I'm not expecting him to be a legal scholar - and I fucking hate how legal issues have complicated war.*. (conceding that he's a brilliant man with an outstanding education and more importantly amazing accomplishment... simply suggesting more than vagueries woud be useful to decide whether one may agree or disagree w/him)


* we're entering Brit territory now.... where we feel guilty about having a better society than everyone else. Where we feel that we need to win wars with surgical precision. Where we assail our own for behaving better than our opponents. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaker_Morant We don't cut heads off of people in the name of God. The people we are fighting... they do... and use video to promote their cause. Non-lethal, non-permanent tactics which scare the bejesus out of evil head choppers**... doesn't bother me much.

**afaik, the conventional wisdom is the SKM was the dude that chopped Pearle's head off.
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The comment would be more interesting if he gave some specific reference to when, where and how what provision was violated.

I don't question his expertise as a general. I want him to be able to effectively project force and control territory or people or gov'ts etc. I'm not expecting him to be a legal scholar - and I fucking hate how legal issues have complicated war.*. (conceding that he's a brilliant man with an outstanding education and more importantly amazing accomplishment... simply suggesting more than vagueries woud be useful to decide whether one may agree or disagree w/him)


* we're entering Brit territory now.... where we feel guilty about having a better society than everyone else. Where we feel that we need to win wars with surgical precision. Where we assail our own for behaving better than our opponents. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaker_Morant We don't cut heads off of people in the name of God. The people we are fighting... they do... and use video to promote their cause. Non-lethal, non-permanent tactics which scare the bejesus out of evil head choppers**... doesn't bother me much.

**afaik, the conventional wisdom is the SKM was the dude that chopped Pearle's head off.

Personally, I can't wait for the day that there are more military robots that are fast, powerful, durable and look scary as fuck. Skynet shit FTW.
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