Just got a rather interesting email from a source I can't mention

[PETA]

Originally Posted by joel

but does the UK recognize Sharia law for Muslim Brits? i remember hearing about that but didn't follow up on it.

Dunno

Originally Posted by joel

I can't imagine that the majority of Muslims would care whether or not Sharia was applied to non-Muslims so no I don't think they'd want it to apply to all Brits. Why do you?

I said it wasn't a stretch to think that they would. I wasn't offering a guarantee. Why, you certain they wouldn't?

The fact remains that the possibility of the UK undergoing a remarkable cultural transformation in the next 100 years if current demographic trends continue is very real.

Don't most majority muslim states use shria? In those states does it apply to all citizens or just muslims? Would be a good barometer of what to expect should the UK become majority muslim.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by juandingo

dude this is total bullshit. hispanics are shittnig kids left and right all over the world. if anything there will be more catholics.

Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing. That's great news, now we know who will be fightin' the next war with the muslims. I can stay home this time. GO CRUSADERS!

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I have TS Youtube clearance.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

but when the Archbishop of Canterbury speaks in favor of the UK recognizing sharia for Muslim brits do you think it a strecth that should/when Muslims outnumber other brits that they'd want it to apply to all brits?

Does this "Archbishop" cock have a fucking clue what sharia law is? Sure, it covers the most mundane of things such as property disputes, etc. ~but~ it also calls for punishments EXACTLY like the ones so many people are whining and crying about here in the states. (just one example is the loss of a limb for stealing).

There are a litany of sharia laws that degrade the value of women's rights in society; rights to property,rights to file complaints against males (family, spouses or otherwise).
"Sharia Law begins to restrict women in the Swat Valley"
"Women Against Sharia"

Plus: The Top Ten Reasons Sharia Law is bad for Any society:
1. Islam commands offensive and aggressive and unjust jihad.
2. Islam orders apostates to be killed. (Ex.In Iran an academic was condemned to death for criticizing clerical rule in Iran. The rulers assert that he was insulting Muhammad and Shi'ite laws. He was charged with apostasy.
3. Islam orders death for Muslim and possible death for non—Muslim critics of Muhammad and the Quran and even sharia itself.
4. Islam orders unmarried fornicators to be whipped and adulterers to be stoned to death.
5. Islam commands that homosexuals must be executed.
6. Islam commands that highway robbers should be crucified or mutilated.
7. Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off.
8. Islam allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge—physical eye for physical eye.
9. Islam allows husbands to hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives.
10. Islam commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped.

The thing that's just not clicking for me is this:
Virtually everything listed here stands in direct opposition to the typical lib viewpoint on each of these issues. So, why is it that libs I talk to think there's no reason why the muslims should not be allowed to enact sharia law wherever they live.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Does this "Archbishop" cock have a fucking clue what sharia law is?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-Williams.html

He said it was inevitable amongst other odd things

Adopt sharia law in Britain, says the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams


By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent, and Andrew Porter, Political Editor
Last Updated: 2:26AM GMT 09 Feb 2008



The Archbishop of Canterbury was embroiled in a fierce political and religious row last night after he called for aspects of Islamic sharia law to be adopted in Britain.

• Your View: Is Sharia law in Britain unavoidable?
• Damian Thompson: Williams' authority is in tatters
• Leader: The archbishop's inept intervention

Dr Rowan Williams said that it "seems inevitable" that elements of the Muslim law, such as divorce proceedings, would be incorporated into British legislation.

His comments were immediately attacked by Downing Street, religious groups and MPs from all sides. The head of the equality watchdog denounced his claims while several high-profile Muslims also criticised Dr Williams.
"The Archbishop's thinking here is muddled and unhelpful," said Trevor Phillips, the chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
"Raising this idea in this way will give fuel to anti-Muslim extremism and dismay everyone working towards a more integrated society."
Baroness Warsi, the shadow minister for community cohesion and social action, said: "The Archbishop's comments are unhelpful and may add to the confusion that already exists in our communities.
"All British citizens must be subject to British laws developed through Parliament and the courts."
Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, said: "I think there is one law in this country and it's the democratically determined law.
"That's the law that I will uphold and that's the law that is at the heart actually of the values that we share across all communities in this country."
Sharia is the body of Islamic law implemented in some Muslim countries, including Saudi Arabia, Libya and Sudan. In some, it is associated with draconian punishments for crimes such as theft, adultery or blasphemy, such as amputation of limbs, death by stoning or use of the lash.
In Afganistan, a student who downloaded a report on women's rights from the internet is facing the death penalty.




Women's rights are curtailed in many countries. Some interpretations of the law mean women have to cover themselves from head to toe in burkhas when they go out.

• Christopher Howse: Sharia is no law for Britain
• Three Line Whip: Is this the end of one law for all?
• Profile: Dr Rowan Williams

The Archbishop provoked the row by saying Britain had to "face up to the fact" that some citizens did not relate to this country's legal system and argued that officially sanctioning sharia law would improve community relations.

He said there was an argument that aspects of sharia law, such as those involving divorce, financial transactions and the settling of disputes, could be accommodated with British legislation.

Speaking before a speech on the issue - delivered last night - Dr Williams said: "Nobody in their right mind would want to see in this country the kind of inhumanity that has sometimes been associated with the practice of the law in some Islamic states.

"But there are ways of looking at marital disputes, for example, which provide an alternative to divorce courts as we understand them."
Dr Williams's intervention puts him at odds with Gordon Brown, whose spokesman was quick to distance him from the Archbishop's comments.
"The Prime Minister believes British law should apply in this country, based on British values," he said.

Khalid Mahmood, the Muslim Labour MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, said: "This is very misguided. There is no half-way house with this. "What part of sharia law does he want? The sort that is practised in Saudi Arabia, which they are struggling to get away from? "Muslims do not need special treatment or to be specially singled out. This would not contribute to community cohesion." Some senior Muslim clerics are pressing for the introduction of Islamic penal law with its often brutal punishments.

However, religious groups and secularists attacked the Archbishop, saying that his comments were "baffling and bewildering" and would undermine social cohesion. Stephen Green, the director of Christian Voice, said: "This is a Christian country with Christian laws. If Muslims want to live under sharia law then they are free to emigrate to a country where sharia law is already in operation." But Dr Williams said the argument that "there's one law for everybody" was "a bit of a danger" and called for "a constructive accommodation" with aspects of Muslim law.

The Church of England was allowed to operate its own courts, as were Orthodox Jews, and the anti-abortion views of Roman Catholics and other Christians were taken account of within the law. "I do not think we should instantly spring to the conclusion that the whole of that world of jurisprudence and practice is somehow monstrously incompatible with human rights just because it doesn't immediately fit with how we understand it."

It was "not at all the case that we have absolute social exclusion. We do have a lot of social suspicion, a lot of distance and we just have to go on working at how that shared citizenship comes through".

The Bishop of Rochester, Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, said last month that non-Muslims faced a hostile reception in places dominated by the ideology of Islamic radicals. He has since faced death threats. Dr Williams appeared to suggest that sharia law should be recognised as an officially sanctioned alternative to British law in areas such as marriage, divorce and inheritance.

Legal experts said that it was already possible for Muslim couples contemplating a divorce to seek mediation from an imam and, if both consent, his ruling on their settlement can have a binding effect.
But they said Dr Williams seemed to be proposing that the British courts may also recognise sharia law on divorce, in which the husband can end a marriage by saying to his wife three times "I divorce you". Such reforms could also legalise polygamy for Muslims in the country

[Stymi]

I thinks it kool, care less that shes a chick or spanish. funny how them redneck republicans are talking chit about what she said 8yrs ago. "I think we need an apology from her"...shut tha fuck up you wasnt worried about an apology 8 yrs ago why now?

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Stymi

shut tha fuck up you wasnt worried about an apology 8 yrs ago why now?

well, 8 years ago she wasn't nominated for the Surpreme Court... now she is

besides, what could a "latina" possibly know about they law, they're all a bunch of stupid fucktards living off of affirmative action anyway

and she's Puerto Rican... not Spanish

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Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

well, 8 years ago she wasn't nominated for the Surpreme Court... now she is

besides, what could a "latina" possibly know about they law, they're all a bunch of stupid fucktards living off of affirmative action anyway

and she's Puerto Rican... not Spanish

The Flippancy Alert System has been set to red.

[PETA]

flippant? flippant? I got your flippant right here buddy.

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Flippant was a totally awesome show. That dolphin was born for that role.

[PETA]

yeah? Everybody thinks dolphins are so nice and shit... they think dolphins help people to shore from boat wrecks but that's just because the people they lead the other direction don't often report back... besides, you know they had a bunch of different dolphins, plus they ate them all when the show got cancelled.

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Man, FUCK dolphins.

[PETA]

no shit... clicky, squeeky acquatic bitches

Intelligent and friendly on rye bread with some mayonnaise.

[PJSOLDIER]

Originally Posted by Enchilada

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I didnt know A Perfect Circle covered Imagine. Cool.

And yes FUCK dolphins....

[zerojunkie]

Originally Posted by Enchilada

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Dammit, that's a good remake. Keenan wins.