Dick Cheney's revisionist history, chapter 39

[Sinner]

he says it's ok for his daughter to do scissoring w/ wedding rings on the finger that she uses when doing that scissoring.

[Funkenstein]

Allow me to be the first to quip this as a Republican "Pulling a Pelosi".

[zerojunkie]

Originally Posted by -m-

I don't think Cheney or anyone else who has made that statement has been clear enough in making that distinction though. I saw a lot of sense in Cheney's speech, oddly enough, but even from closely listening I got the initial impression that he was still connecting 9/11 to Saddam. I would respect them even more if they just admitted that after the attacks and six years of Saddam taunting the UN investigators they made a call, and it was a blunder.

They haven't been clear enough until now, and all of the sudden it's backtracking. Everything I've listened to has them saying there's a report of this or an allegation of that concerning Saddam and 9/11. The verbiage they used when speaking of Saddam's more well established misdeeds never had such ambiguity. Bush's administration was not forthright with the details surrounding the allegations, but it doesn't seem as though they were dishonest.

[-m-]

You don't think that using carefully worded but easily misunderstood insinuations to manipulate the American public's view of invading Iraq is dishonest?

[Funkenstein]

Originally Posted by zerojunkie

The verbiage they used when speaking of Saddam's more well established misdeeds never had such ambiguity. Bush's administration was not forthright with the details surrounding the allegations, but it doesn't seem as though they were dishonest.

There was a band named after people with this ability.

You might've heard of them.

They were called the SPIN DOCTORS.

Originally Posted by -m-

You don't think that using carefully worded but easily misunderstood insinuations to manipulate the American public's view of invading Iraq is dishonest?

Blammo.

[zerojunkie]

Originally Posted by -m-

You don't think that using carefully worded but easily misunderstood insinuations to manipulate the American public's view of invading Iraq is dishonest?

Haha, I thought hard about changing that to something else. Personally, yes, I think it's dishonest because I like my politicians nearly honest to a fault. However the simple fact is that alleged means alleged. It's not like we didn't have access to more detailed information surrounding the events in question. I mean who really thought Saddam was behind 9/11 leading up to the invasion? There's a lot of blame to spread around. Culpability lies with the people selling the war, the people blindly buying it, and the leaders who were elected to lead and not just go whichever way the political wind was blowing at the time.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by -m-

You don't think that using carefully worded but easily misunderstood insinuations to manipulate the American public's view of invading Iraq is dishonest?

That's just it. I think they were carefully wording each type of assertion just as Zero said. They were forthrightly unambiguous with allegations in some catagories while others they were careful to use qualifiers and disclaimers to avoid the conclusory jump your claiming they intended.

Fact is, for many people who opposed the war there is no conclusion to be drawn other than Bush and Cheney lied and manipulated their comments to encourage public support.... whether the facts support that opinion or not.

Originally Posted by zerojunkie

I mean who really thought Saddam was behind 9/11 leading up to the invasion?

Excellent point. Who changed their opinion from supporting the war to opposing the war when they found out that Saddam wasn't in on the central planning meetings? There's quite a bit of bullshit leaking out of the argument that Bush lied and manipulated Americans into believing Saddam was elbows deep in 9/11 when the fact is no one ever really bought that notion.... for many reasons, the least of which was the fact that Bush wasn't selling that line of crap.... war opponents were selling the notionb that he was selling it