Rabbi calls for death of Arabs, no Evangelical Christians complain

[jaesun]

Originally Posted by DJPePe

Lookie here: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...RfEngD98K43I80



And yet people complain about the hate that is present in some circles in the Arab/Muslim world, while staying silent about the element that exists within their own midst.

Kind of like the news running constant stories about one Pro-Life activist that killed one of the only three Later Term Abortionist in the country.

Yet at the same time an American Muslim trained in Lebanon kills a soldier outside of a recuiting center, and admits having a bigger plan of killing more people gets next to no coverage.

[Keith P]

Originally Posted by DJPePe

If it was some obscure Muslim cleric, the coverage would be endless.

Doubtful, it happens enough that it isn't an oddity.

[flor de vida]

Originally Posted by -m-

Belief in God and being a fundy lunatic are two distinctly different things. We've been over this many times.

My thoughts EXACTLY!!! I think the majority of those who believe in God are more rational than your average raging bible thumping loony.

[vinnie97]

^Are you including that majority who take issue with gay marriage?

oh wow, OP, an outspoken Rabbi on the fringe compared to the countless acts of Muslim extremism that happen the world over. So much for perspective.

[johnny861]

I suppose the question should be asked, how many Evangelical Christians even pay attention to what rabbis say?

However, I do think the media is more focused on presenting the things that Imams say considering how much more critically involved we are in muslim nations, two wars and delicate diplomacy taking place.

I'm pretty sure evangelicals watch the news, so they are going to be presented with the issues that concern Americans the most, albeit mostly local, not some quack job Rabbi.

It's not to say that what the Rabbi said was right, but it seems like this thread had a hair trigger excuse to quickly blame a bunch of people for something that probably didn't even pop up on their radar.

[DJPePe]

Originally Posted by Keith P

Doubtful, it happens enough that it isn't an oddity.

Keith, that makes no sense whatsoever.

If it's not such an oddity, then why even report it in the first place?

Furthermore, why would you post about the persecution of gays in Iraq, if you know that it is a regular occurrence? Why not post about the recent crackdown on gay pride parades in Russia? Serbia?

[DJPePe]

Originally Posted by Nyteshade

You're the one who brought up AQ killing fellow Muslims.

Besides, there's been quite a few times when some stupid statement against Muslims has made headlines. Remember the cartoons in Denmark? News networks all over the globe were falling over themselves to say how offensive they were and condemn it. As is typical for those people, they responded by rioting and destroying buildings belonging to other European countries that had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Oh please, since when did American Muslims rioted???? Just because a few fuckwits in oppressive Muslim countries committed some embarrassing actions doesn't mean the rest of the Muslim world is to blame for it. I didn't even hear of European Muslims rioting over the cartoons (unless you foolishly believe holding peaceful protests is akin to what those fuckwits in Syria, Lebanon, and Pakistan did). And before anyone else gets on my case, I have not once endorsed the violent reaction to those silly cartoons. I personally believed we should have ignored them and not make a big fucking deal out of it. There was a Jordanian paper that decided to print the cartoons, and made an excellent point about which is more offensive: the cartoons or a bombing of a wedding in Amman in November 2005. I've even had heated discussions with other Muslims who start whining about it yet look the other way when it comes to anti-Semitic garbage that is present in Arabic publications.

And also, care to tell me how Americans responded when the Dixie Chicks spoke their mind about Bush back in 2003?

[DJPePe]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

^Are you including that majority who take issue with gay marriage?

oh wow, OP, an outspoken Rabbi on the fringe compared to the countless acts of Muslim extremism that happen the world over. So much for perspective.

Here's some more. Hey, continue to close your eyes to the reality of extremism that is present in other communities. Unlike you, I'm not in denial about the presence of extremism amongst a minority of Muslims, while most people here are far too apologetic and make a bunch of silly excuses when confronted with extremism in other communities.

Here's some more:

A day after US President Barack Obama reiterated his call to stop settlement activity during a speech in Cairo, defiant settlers continued to erect illegal structures in the West Bank, building a new outpost on Friday morning between Migron and Kohav Ya'akov.
Settlers dedicate a Torah...

Settlers dedicate a Torah scroll in the West Bank outpost of Maoz Esther, which has been dismantled and rebuilt several times in recent weeks.
Photo: AP
SLIDESHOW: Israel & Region | World

At the outpost, named Oz Yehonatan, the settlers built a wooden structure they mockingly called the "Obama Hut," saying it was a sign of appreciation for the US president for his actions that had led to a dramatic rise in the number of outposts.

Overnight Thursday, settlers and right-wing activists once again rebuilt the illegal Maoz Esther outpost that was dismantled on Wednesday by security forces.

Among the structures erected was a synagogue in which activists placed a Torah scroll dedicated in the name of Yohonadav Hirschfield, who was killed in last year's terror attack at Jerusalem's Mercaz Harav Yeshiva.

One of the activists said of Obama, "He's an Arab Muslim and a gentile, he is fighting against the Jewish people and has declared that he will continue to do so. We already stated our intention to continue to build, no matter who is fighting us - Egypt, Germany or the US."

Among the 200 activists that gathered at the Maoz Esther site was Hebron-Kiryat Arba Chief Rabbi Dov Lior, who explained why peace was impossible in the Middle East.

"It's all illusions. With these savages, there was never peace, there is no peace and there will not be peace," he said. "It's not because we don't want it, but because they are enemies of peace. We just have to hope that our entire country is cleared of terrorists, their supporters, their backers and their camels. They should all be sent to Saudi Arabia."

National Union MK Michael Ben-Ari voiced his support for the settlers' actions saying the West Bank's Jewish communities were an established fact that could not be changed.

"Obama, in his audacity, dreams that 350,000 Jews can be removed from Judea and Samaria, but they are a fact that cannot be changed," he was quoted by Army Radio as saying.

And these are the people that the pro-Israel crowd here loves to support? Yet they have the gall to claim that Arabs are all hateful of Jews?

That's hilarious. For all the people here who cry about welfare, it's ironic that you have no problem with your tax dollars going towards these ungrateful scumbags.

[DJPePe]

Originally Posted by Passenja

Because i'm not the news media and i'm not christian. Why are you on the war path this morning?

I stand corrected on the Christian claim.

War path? haha nah not really. I'm just pointing out that extremism exists among a minority of Jews and yet people here either make a bunch of excuses for it instead of outwardly condemning it (with the exception of xian). It seems like extremism in other communities is perfectly acceptable as long as it is meant to be hostile towards Muslims. Makes me think if some people here would have gleefully endorsed Slobodan Milosevic in the early 90's and try to claim that he was battling radical Islam by killing all the Bosnian Muslims (make no mistake, I have seen people claim this on FreeRepublic and JihadWatch, there were people mourning his death on far-right wing sites such as Jawa Report).

Here's another to showcase the extremism within them:

Feeling the Hate In Jerusalem on Eve of Obama's Cairo Address

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I still won't expect anyone here to be outraged over these clowns and their fucktarded sentiments.

[Keith P]

Originally Posted by DJPePe

Keith, that makes no sense whatsoever.

If it's not such an oddity, then why even report it in the first place?

Furthermore, why would you post about the persecution of gays in Iraq, if you know that it is a regular occurrence? Why not post about the recent crackdown on gay pride parades in Russia? Serbia?

As ridiculous as it is, they're not exactly calling the local tribes together to go hunt them down and kill them.

but hey,

here's the link if anyone's interested:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ch.eurovision/

[name change request]

are you with the Judean Peoples Front or the Peoples Front of Judea? because i can't stand the Judean Peoples Front.

[DJPePe]

Originally Posted by Keith P

As ridiculous as it is, they're not exactly calling the local tribes together to go hunt them down and kill them.

but hey,

here's the link if anyone's interested:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ch.eurovision/

You've obviously never been around anyone from the Balkans. I personally know a few who are so homophobic they even deny the existence of homosexuals in Serbia.

Keith, what does it bloody matter? You are too stuck in your mind in believing that only Muslims persecute homosexuals, when it exists elsewhere in the world. Did you know that it is a 10 year punishment in Belize? That despite the inroads for gay rights in Singapore, it is still a hostile place, especially if you're a male homosexual?

I appreciate the fact that you are concerned about the status of homosexuals in the Muslim world (as am I), but dude, at least be balanced and show the other side as well.

But as a side note, I do recall that in the early days of successive Islamic empires, homosexuality was a lot more tolerated than it was in Europe during that time. It's ironic how times have changed, and for idiot clerics to claim that it is all a "Western import". Silly fuckwits.

are you with the Judean Peoples Front or the Peoples Front of Judea? because i can't stand the Judean Peoples Front.

hahahaha

[Keith P]

Originally Posted by DJPePe

You've obviously never been around anyone from the Balkans. I personally know a few who are so homophobic they even deny the existence of homosexuals in Serbia.

Keith, what does it bloody matter? You are too stuck in your mind in believing that only Muslims persecute homosexuals, when it exists elsewhere in the world. Did you know that it is a 10 year punishment in Belize? That despite the inroads for gay rights in Singapore, it is still a hostile place, especially if you're a male homosexual?

I appreciate the fact that you are concerned about the status of homosexuals in the Muslim world (as am I), but dude, at least be balanced and show the other side as well.

But as a side note, I do recall that in the early days of successive Islamic empires, homosexuality was a lot more tolerated than it was in Europe during that time. It's ironic how times have changed, and for idiot clerics to claim that it is all a "Western import". Silly fuckwits.

I think we're hitting the underlying issue in that its arises more so out of cultural issues and baggage BUT the intolerance is being justified by the faith. As it has been done with a plethora of issues the world over in multitudes of religions. Regardless Christianity doesn't often make allowances for murder anymore(excluding a discussion on war) or at least in most modern interpretations. Islam still bends itself to the norms of tribal idiots because it holds sway in sections of the world that have yet to grasp civil and human rights.

[DJPePe]

Originally Posted by Keith P

I think we're hitting the underlying issue in that its arises more so out of cultural issues and baggage BUT the intolerance is being justified by the faith. As it has been done with a plethora of issues the world over in multitudes of religions. Regardless Christianity doesn't often make allowances for murder anymore(excluding a discussion on war) or at least in most modern interpretations. Islam still bends itself to the norms of tribal idiots because it holds sway in sections of the world that have yet to grasp civil and human rights.

And Keith, where does the problem fall towards? Cultural/tribalist baggage or the religion?

[PETA]

Originally Posted by DJPePe

What is it so difficult to understand that al-Qaeda kills more fellow Muslims than anyone else? .

That would be what we often refer to as a non sequitur.

Your retort to an assertion that AQ kills Americans is that they kill more non-Americans. Um, so fucking what?

Originally Posted by DJPePe

So you deny that there are a lot of Americans who think the Muslim world should be nuked?

I would deny that there are many who mean it seriouosly and I would deny catagorically that any who could possibly effect so an event would do so.

You think Iran wants nukes for peaceful purposes? You think AQ would sit on their nukes if they had them?

there's no reasonable comparison to make here.

Originally Posted by DJPePe

Or maybe because it doesn't sell enough, whereas so much attention is placed on Arabs and Muslims when there are plenty of Arabs and Muslims who do not preach hate.

I'm not terribly worried about them. I'm worried abnout the 40+% ofd UK mulsims who would like to see sharia as the law of the land. I'm worried about the variety of terrorist groups that have ben busy killing innocent people (western and arab) for the past several decades. That killing is news worthy.

Originally Posted by DJPePe

If it's not such an oddity, then why even report it in the first place?

no doubt... which was my argument about why thr Rabbi received so little attention... its an obscure oddity that no one else really paid attention to.

on the other hand, "death to the great satan" etc etc seems to be remarkable only in the breach from some Muslim "holy" men.