Rabbi calls for death of Arabs, no Evangelical Christians complain

[DJPePe]

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

That would be what we often refer to as a non sequitur.

Your retort to an assertion that AQ kills Americans is that they kill more non-Americans. Um, so fucking what?

Let me guess, you think non-American lives are worthless, right?

I would deny that there are many who mean it seriouosly and I would deny catagorically that any who could possibly effect so an event would do so.

There are many that mean it seriously, you're still in denial. There was a Jewish doctor that plotted to bomb numerous targets in Florida involving Muslims including an Islamic school, want me to bring up the link from BBC?

You think Iran wants nukes for peaceful purposes? You think AQ would sit on their nukes if they had them?

First of all, comparing Iran to al-Qaeda is not applicable here.

Iran has never invaded another nation in its 250 year history. And yes, I do believe that Iran wants nuclear capability for peaceful purposes. If they wanted to strike Israel, they would have done so 30 years ago.

I'm not terribly worried about them. I'm worried abnout the 40+% ofd UK mulsims who would like to see sharia as the law of the land.

Have you EVEN been to England? Or are you just regurgitating the same old garbage that I hear on other right-wing message boards? You're bringing up the BS poll that was conducted three years ago while you refuse to use relevant evidence.

You might want to do more research before browsing on GatewayPundit or JihadWatch next time, because they aren't the end all be all sites.

This link does a lot to deconstruct the poll that you conveniently bring up.

Unless you believe the number of takeaway kebab shops as a factor of the alleged "Islamization" of England, I think you should at least do more investigating next time. Not trying to be a dick but I've seen you often parrot the tiresome "Islam vs the West" narrative so many times it is seriously getting old. I'm not in denial about the presence of extremists within my faith but you seem to be in denial about the presence of extremists who would rather have people like me dead simply due to my faith and my skin colour.

I'm worried about the variety of terrorist groups that have ben busy killing innocent people (western and arab) for the past several decades. That killing is news worthy.

Yet you are not worried about what US foreign policy has accomplished in the post WW2 years. US foreign policy has helped kill more people than any terrorist group could accomplish, including al-Qaeda. Whether its through illegal invasions or propping up anti-Communist dictators such as Batista, the Greek junta, or Augusto Pinochet, US foreign policy has been more complicit in the murders of millions of innocent people, and yet you are more concerned about a fringe terrorist group who do not have the backing of the world's Muslims.

So where's your outrage over Western foreign policy now?

Save your crocodile tears for something else, because no one is being fooled here.

no doubt... which was my argument about why thr Rabbi received so little attention... its an obscure oddity that no one else really paid attention to.

He didn't receive "little attention" if the majority of the Jewish community came out to condemn him, did he?

I think you're simply in denial about the presence of extremists outside of the Muslim community, because it goes against your view that only Islamic extremists are deadly while the others are harmless.

on the other hand, "death to the great satan" etc etc seems to be remarkable only in the breach from some Muslim "holy" men.

Yet you look the other way when it comes to anti-Muslim protests that occur in Europe on a regular basis. So tell me the honest truth xian, do you believe Slobodan Milosevic and Radovan Karadzic are heroes for slaughtering Muslims in the Balkans? Because there's a view propagated on sites such as FreeRepublic that Milosevic was merely fighting radical Islam and that the Bosnian Muslims were trying to destroy Christendom in the region.

BTW, those Serbs also torched a US Embassy in Belgrade last year, now where was your outrage over that act? Anti-Americanism isn't also limited to the Muslim world.

[Left]

dude, pepe, what is the point of this thread? lol.
are you insinuating that Evangelical Christians don't care about Arabs because they're not protesting in the streets because of some cracked Rabbi? that's beyond silly. no, i don't think anyone here thinks its "ok," and i'm sure everyone here agrees he should be locked up like any jackass if he is participating in race-based violence (or any violence for that matter).

if 100s of people were rallying to support this dude it would make more news, but its not because no one does. the vast majority realize he is a jackass. shit, if there was a lot of people in Dallas that were openly supporting anti-Islam violence, i would peacefully protest right along with you....but there's not.

yes, any culture has its extremists...what's your point? what do you want? we tend to focus on stopping extremists that commit heinous crimes like mass murder and terrorism...no matter what race/religion/culture they are oriented. i can without hesitation say that the kids at Columbine are just as retarded as a muslim that kills a school full of children.

when school shootings happened in America, security tightened up...haven't had one of those in awhile, however those types of violent acts seem to keep popping up in the news elsewhere...thus it becomes a focus of discussion. if you're angry people keep associating islam with violence, maybe its because there seems to be a lot of violence in islamic countries and islamic fundamentalists. does that mean the majority of americans think all muslims are violent? no! shit we have a huge muslim population here in the US and i don't see them suicide-bombing the public on a weekly basis.

what i'm saying here is to just chill brother. some of your allegations are just getting wild. there are less people trying to persecute your faith than you may think.

[Keith P]

Originally Posted by DJPePe

And Keith, where does the problem fall towards? Cultural/tribalist baggage or the religion?

Both. It's not a black and white issue. The West's progress in regards to human rights came about through a distancing from the faith people had known but also through a revisioning of it.

Islam or at least the Islam of the middle east needs a rediscovering of its golden age, it's renaissance. At least thats how I feel about it. It needs a place for secular ideals as well as a new joy, place for peace, and progress in the faith from the cultures that champion it.

[DJPePe]

Originally Posted by Keith P

Both. It's not a black and white issue. The West's progress in regards to human rights came about through a distancing from the faith people had known but also through a revisioning of it.

It also came as a result of the horrors from the rise of fascism movements in the 30's as well.

Islam or at least the Islam of the middle east needs a rediscovering of its golden age, it's renaissance. At least thats how I feel about it. It needs a place for secular ideals as well as a new joy, place for peace, and progress in the faith from the cultures that champion it.

I don't really disagree with you on that bro. We both see eye to eye when it comes to the need for reform in many Islamic societies, but the major differences lie on who should lead it. Should it be an internal change or one that is propagated by the Western policy planners? I prefer the former because the latter is often motivated by self-interest than it is by genuine change.

But it is also important to not have extreme secular nationalism take hold at the expense of others. Look what happened in Egypt after Nasser took power in the 50's. Sure it was secular, but at what price? The loss of progressive Egypt over the span of a decade and a half and the decline of formerly cosmopolitan Alexandria.

dude, pepe, what is the point of this thread? lol.
are you insinuating that Evangelical Christians don't care about Arabs because they're not protesting in the streets because of some cracked Rabbi? that's beyond silly. no, i don't think anyone here thinks its "ok," and i'm sure everyone here agrees he should be locked up like any jackass if he is participating in race-based violence (or any violence for that matter).

Oh it's not that Chris. I made the thread to showcase the extremities of far-right Zionists and Evangelicals who often would showcase the fanaticism of Muslim extremists are conspicuously silent when it comes to this.

I would have said Jews don't condemn this guy, but in the article Jews were steadfast in their condemnation.

It's not that people think it is "okay"; it's to downplay and ignore the incidents. I'm not one to cry persecution here in the West while denying the fact that persecution does occur in Muslim countries. I do feel that there are some Muslims in the West who often cry persecution yet they don't say a damn thing about the persecution that occurs in their own countries. I rather be balanced than to use one side while staying silent on the others.

if 100s of people were rallying to support this dude it would make more news, but its not because no one does. the vast majority realize he is a jackass. shit, if there was a lot of people in Dallas that were openly supporting anti-Islam violence, i would peacefully protest right along with you....but there's not.

That is true that the vast majority have distanced themselves from this man. I have pointed it out on here that this man is a fringe lunatic and does not have the majority of the support from world Jewry. However, this man still has support with a sizeable minority of Jews that engage in militant Zionism, namely the Jewish Task Force (aka JDL). You might remember them as the same morons who held a protest outside FreshJive's store in Los Angeles.

yes, any culture has its extremists...what's your point? what do you want? we tend to focus on stopping extremists that commit heinous crimes like mass murder and terrorism...no matter what race/religion/culture they are oriented. i can without hesitation say that the kids at Columbine are just as retarded as a muslim that kills a school full of children.

I really get irked a bit when some Muslims often bring up OKC or Columbine as some type of evidence of "Christian extremism"...which is flawed IMO because they weren't acting on Christianity (and in some cases despised it).

You're right I agree with your point, I just think that most people tend to forget it when they focus entirely on Muslim extremists while ignoring the extremists that exist in other groups. I also believe it goes both ways because you will have Muslims who are entirely focused on the crimes Israel and other non-Muslim entities commit but stay silent or say make sorry excuses when their own do the same thing. Examples such as "Oh they're bad....BUT not as bad as what the WEST is doing..." is prevalent and I don't like it either.

when school shootings happened in America, security tightened up...haven't had one of those in awhile, however those types of violent acts seem to keep popping up in the news elsewhere...thus it becomes a focus of discussion.

Discussion is fine, I'm not saying people can't discuss lol

if you're angry people keep associating islam with violence, maybe its because there seems to be a lot of violence in islamic countries and islamic fundamentalists.

Trust me bro, my anger first and foremost is squarely with these fuckwits who go around making life a living hell for those who have nothing to do with their fanaticism. It is absolutely only natural for people to associate the faith with violence, when so many idiotic Muslims prove it so often.

I get searched at airports, but I don't cry about it at all. It's a price I have to pay for the actions of others, but if it makes me and others safe, so be it. Gotta live with the new reality. Again, I blame that towards a minority of fuckwits who make our life a living Hell.

does that mean the majority of americans think all muslims are violent? no! shit we have a huge muslim population here in the US and i don't see them suicide-bombing the public on a weekly basis.

There have been many polls conducted in the past few years that some Americans do feel that we are. And to be honest, I cannot blame them for it, yet people expect Obama to fix that

That is our responsibility as citizens of this country, not his. That is where we failed to reach out to our neighbors in the past, but luckily many Muslims have acknowledged this and have began to participate heavily in politics.

Trust me bro, my anger first and foremost is squarely with these fuckwits who go around making life a living hell for those who have nothing to do with their fanaticism.

That being said, I also do not like it when people say we do not condemn extremism enough when we have been condemning extremism consistently. It is there, I've even posted it on here numerous times, but no one seems to care because it is easier to piss and whinge than to admit that it exists. It's the same thing with some Muslims, who are unable to grasp the fact that there are Jews who are critical of the actions Israel does, or that there are Western journalists who have done more to provide the truth than Muslims have themselves (namely the horrors in the Balkans comes to mind).

what i'm saying here is to just chill brother. some of your allegations are just getting wild. there are less people trying to persecute your faith than you may think.

I see the point you're making here, but bro I am the last person to engage in a "Islam v. the West" narrative. I'm just sick of that narrative being displayed by people from both sides when it is not really the case. I'm sick of some Muslims trying to claim that there is a war on Islam when they are in fact afforded the right to build their places of worship and wear whatever they want without worry, not to mention being awarded generous benefits when living in a Western country, whereas in their own countries minorities are not awarded such benefits. On the flip side, I also dislike people in the West who engage in a belief that Islam is at war with people in the West while having no problem going to live in these Muslim countries they themselves hate. It cracks me up how British expats in Dubai and Qatar talk so much crap about Muslims yet they still continue to reside there. I get this from reading comments left by British expats on Daily Mail or The Times Of London or even The Guardian's CommentIsFree section.

I hope you get the point I'm making. It may seem to appear that I often speak about stuff like this occurring due to the audience here. I could post a lot about stuff that is a source of controversy in Muslim countries, but I feel that it would be much wasted here because the audience that I would debate with about issues pertaining to Muslim society is better left dealing with it internally.

[Keith P]

Originally Posted by DJPePe

It also came as a result of the horrors from the rise of fascism movements in the 30's as well.

To a certain extent. One thinks the bloodshed propagated by war in the middle east would bring about a wave of peace that Europe's since experienced since WW2.

The shift in thought I'm talking about though came about during the age of reason and the enlightenment.

I don't really disagree with you on that bro. We both see eye to eye when it comes to the need for reform in many Islamic societies, but the major differences lie on who should lead it. Should it be an internal change or one that is propagated by the Western policy planners? I prefer the former because the latter is often motivated by self-interest than it is by genuine change.

We're in agreement on that. Its the main reason why I wasn't a supporter of the Iraq war.

But it is also important to not have extreme secular nationalism take hold at the expense of others. Look what happened in Egypt after Nasser took power in the 50's. Sure it was secular, but at what price? The loss of progressive Egypt over the span of a decade and a half and the decline of formerly cosmopolitan Alexandria.

Well the problem being the Nationalism that swept countries like Egypt was one taken out of the pages of Mein Kampf. I'm talking the secularism of democratic states.

[Dionysos]

Originally Posted by -m-

I just can't wait until it's customary for whatever reporter is interviewing any religious nut to roll their eyes and make the jerking off motion with their hand while they're talking.

But then Fox would lose the rest of its viewers, and they can't afford to do that.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by DJPePe

Let me guess, you think non-American lives are worthless, right?

Nope. But great leap right into stupid.

But, just to indulge you. The most important life on the planet is my wife's followed bvery closely by my children's and then family and the importance of lives radiates from there.

If you don't feel the same (substituting your family of course) you are either a liar or an asshole.

Look, the rabbi said stupid shit and deserves to be condemned for it. I'll look forward to you posting up threads about Mullahs making similarly outrageous and indefensible remarks and condemning those as well.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Dionysos

But then Fox would lose the rest of its viewers, and they can't afford to do that.

lol - like they're hurting for viewership

[Dionysos]

I'm convinced half of their viewers are liberals who like watching the enemy camp.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Dionysos

I'm convinced half of their viewers are liberals who like watching the enemy camp.

could be... they can't read so they have to turn somewhere

[tricky]

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

could be... they can't read so they have to turn somewhere

kinda like Bush and Cheney couldn't read that memo "bin laden determined to strike in U.S." ?

[Dionysos]

Left-field tricky strikes again.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Dionysos

Left-field tricky strikes again.

He is aware that Clinton was unable to read the same memo isn't he?

[Dionysos]

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

He is aware that Clinton was unable to read the same memo isn't he?

*inserts picture of Rumsfeld meeting with Hitler in 1936*

[PETA]

Rummy's his love child w/Eva... she was secretly carrying on an affair with Prescot Bush when he was doing business with the Nazis.