Iranian election fun

[J. Fees]

the problems lies with people like you xian, you think you are better than other people, when in reality everyone is essentially the same. the bottom line is that our gov't corruption is no better than there's. in some cases worse, in others they far outpace us. When you get down to a we are better than them, you miss the point.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by J. Fees

the problems lies with people like you xian, you think you are better than other people, when in reality everyone is essentially the same. the bottom line is that our gov't corruption is no better than there's. in some cases worse, in others they far outpace us. When you get down to a we are better than them, you miss the point.

No Feez the problem is you being a fool.. I'm not "better" than you but I'm certainly not the dumbass you're being either.

The issue of FL has been researched to death and only Alex Jones and the wackiest of the Huffingtonpost/Moveon.org types buy that crock of shit that says the elcetion was stolen/rigged etc etc.

The moral equivalency you're drawing between the US and Iran is so absurd that it really doesn't warrant any more response than that... it is so fucking retarded that I cannot believe you bothered saying it. If you cannot say the United States is "better" than Iran that wtf are you prepared to say? Is "water is wet" too controversial for you?

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by J. Fees

so do you think that when the populace votes in a president, our electoral system should override what the people want? do you think that it was quizzical that jeb bush was the govenor in a state that his brother just happened to win by illegal means. I mean sure no one got killed and bush made it into office without some sort of military rule, but how can you say that we are so much better than them?

Dude, are you feeling OK? Did your mommy not give you enough hugs when you were little? Where do you come up with this craziness?

I mean really, why do you still live in the United States? For some reason your head has been so screwed up with all the Black Helicopters, Micheal Moore movies, and conspiracy theory talk that the shit that you say is "really" scary.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by J. Fees

the problems lies with people like you xian, you think you are better than other people, when in reality everyone is essentially the same. the bottom line is that our gov't corruption is no better than there's. in some cases worse, in others they far outpace us. When you get down to a we are better than them, you miss the point.

Jeez Fees, you've got the sickness man... fucking WOW! You've got it bad.

Skip all the political bullshit for a minute dude, there are a few truths in the world that all your blog headlines, MSNBC, CNN, American Communist Party and Chomsky books would like you to forget. (because it doesn't fit their agenda)

Here's a few for starters:[Remember, these are truths about the current human condition, they have nothing to do with politics]

1) Everyone is not the same
2) Everyone is not inherently good
3) There is TRUE evil in the world (you don't have to be religious to know it is true)
3) The fittest survive, the others die off.
4) If someone is given everything they need, they will stop striving to improve.
5) Some people will not get better no matter how much you help them (including drug addicts, welfare recipients, etc)

And here are some things about America and Americans:
1) We (our government) gives 20% more in international charity than any other government on the planet.
2) We (as individuals) give more in charity both within our borders and throughout the world than any other on the planet.(remember the Tsunamis?)
3) We are light years ahead of any other country in regards to: slavery, poverty, education, civil rights (including race, sex, sexuality, etc.), healthcare, and general standard of living.
5) Some of the poorest in our country would still be considered rich compared to most countries.

And here are some not so political things about your boy W:
1) No human being on the face of the earth has done more to help the education, health care (AIDS and Malaria), and standard of living for the poor and suffering people of the continent of Africa.
2) No human being has freed more Muslims from tyranny, oppression and Genocide than W. (+50 million)
3) One man was behind two of the greatest and fastest military victories in the history of humankind. W+Afghanistan+Iraq= History Books
4) Protected us from a single attack on our soil since 9/11
5) Gave the people of the United states the largest tax cut in the history of the world. (remember-our money back to us)

[name change request]

aawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww shit... now he's gone and done it

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6531648.ece

Khamenei tells Mousavi to toe the line over election or be cast out

[PETA]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Jeez Fees, you've got the sickness man... fucking WOW! You've got it bad.

Not sure if it is sickness or some bizarre mindset that's expected of the "hip" set. Problem is for those fuckers... they're now the goddam establishment (they won the legislature and executive branches) but they act like spoiled children whose parents just don't understand.

Anyway... can't believe I'm actually addressing his assertion but just to provide some data...

here's Freedomhouse's "freedom" map. Green = free Red = Not free the other color = partly free. Snagged it from wiki

Notice that Iran is red and we are green Feez...

As far as rankings go they assign 2 rankings; political rights and civil liberties. The lower the number the freer the society. The US gets a 1 and a 1. Iran gets a 6 and a 6. http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/...aphsForWeb.pdf

He's turned his political outlook into a kind of faith. He believes what he chooses to believe; Iran is not worse than the US inspite of copious amounts of evidence to the contrary.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by joel

aawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww shit... now he's gone and done it

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6531648.ece

Khamenei tells Mousavi to toe the line over election or be cast out

Which still ignores the elephant in the living.... er... hundreds of thousands of people in the streets.

The mullahs are drawing their line in the sand. Now it will start to get dangerous.

[name change request]

i can't believe i'm going to stick up for Fees because he's such a dick but i think you are missing his point. i don't think he is saying that Iran has as much freedom as the U.S.

what i'm seeing him say, in a completely UN-lawlerlike way, is that the U.S. has govt corruption and Iran has govt corruption. the degree to which they are corrupt are too similar for a country as great as ours. they may not be equal but he was just drawing a correlation between the two. because our country is free though the corruption gets masked a lot more than it does in Iran.

[zerojunkie]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

3) We are light years ahead of any other country in regards to: slavery, poverty, education, civil rights (including race, sex, sexuality, etc.), healthcare, and general standard of living.

Um, no. We're up there, but by no means the leader in every category.

Originally Posted by FarangBa

3) One man was behind two of the greatest and fastest military victories in the history of humankind. W+Afghanistan+Iraq= History Books

I generally support the real reasons for invading Iraq, but any success that first year in Iraq was in spite of the Bush administration's policies not because of them. They had virtually no plan for governing the populace after Saddam was deposed.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by joel

i can't believe i'm going to stick up for Fees because he's such a dick but i think you are missing his point. i don't think he is saying that Iran has as much freedom as the U.S.

what i'm seeing him say, in a completely UN-lawlerlike way, is that the U.S. has govt corruption and Iran has govt corruption. the degree to which they are corrupt are too similar for a country as great as ours. they may not be equal but he was just drawing a correlation between the two. because our country is free though the corruption gets masked a lot more than it does in Iran.

I think your being awfully generous in your reading of his comments.

The corruption in Iran is comparable to the US only if you wish to show the great disparity between the two. It isn't a zero sum game where once corruption is identified the threshold has been met and all states are equally bad. Degrees exist and if you're accruately describing his comments he's seeing black and white... or corrupt / not corrupt... and that's just silly.

Originally Posted by zerojunkie

Um, no. We're up there, but by no means the leader in every category.

which one's are we not the leader in?

Originally Posted by zerojunkie

I generally support the real reasons for invading Iraq, but any success that first year in Iraq was in spite of the Bush administration's policies not because of them. They had virtually no plan for governing the populace after Saddam was deposed.

You're right as far as what you said goes but he was talking about how quickly we dispatched Saddam's army while you're talking about how we fucked up the early success with horseshit planning for "what next."

[johnny861]

Originally Posted by joel

aawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww shit... now he's gone and done it

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6531648.ece

Khamenei tells Mousavi to toe the line over election or be cast out

I've been shrugging off the protests as nothing much more than a statement(maybe with deep hopes that a true revolution will spark), but I think today's warning to the protestors they need to back down or face violent reprecautions is the final line drawn in the sand.

It's a pivitol moment for the opposition. This is the point that they either back down (whether in a slow violent way, or quickly), or they stick it out for a real revolution.

However, even if revolution breaks out in that country, the question is how should America react. Both candidates are pretty much douchebags with a nuclear power, jew-hating agenda. Which candidate would you back?

Sure, we support the people, but history will show us backing one asshole over another.

[name change request]

Originally Posted by johnny861

However, even if revolution breaks out in that country, the question is how should America react.

well, i'll be supporting the revolution on principle... because i like a good revolution. i'll be even more happy if the goal of the revolution is to overthrow the ayatollah and end the theocracy. not very likely that it'll go down that way though.

if all they want is to have Mousavi over Ahmadinejad then that'll be a pretty pathetic revolution... but at least they are fighting against the theocracy either way.

[BradH]

both candidates hate america. does it really matter who wins?

[Latham]

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

which one's are we not the leader in?

Healthcare, poverty, and education.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/econ...ne_2008_0.html

[zerojunkie]

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

which one's are we not the leader in?

Compulsory education, health care, and "general standard of living" are the ones that immediately come to mind.

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

You're right as far as what you said goes but he was talking about how quickly we dispatched Saddam's army while you're talking about how we fucked up the early success with horseshit planning for "what next."

I will cede that Rumsfield had a great deal to do with the shift in military thinking that put more of an emphasis on covert ops. Lets be real though, the speed in which we reached Baghdad was more because Saddam's army wouldn't engage US forces in a stand up fight than any sort of brilliance on the part of the administration.