And the dominoes begin to fall...

[PETA]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

And yet the flipside of that irony is the libs give the impression they stand behind minorities. In fact, liberals have shown far more interest in pandering to the victim mindset of minorities than actually empowering them.

Dude, really? Do you think black people can really compete with white people without the leg-up of affirmative action? Oppressed minorities are downtrodden because they are not good enough to make it on their own. The democrats recognize this and try to help those people out.

[johnny861]

It's not so much rural agg that is going away, it is family owned farms that are disappearing. In place, you'll have large agricultural corporations slowly take over those farms.

Like manufacturing, farm work will continue to automate and require less of a workforce.

The big issue is how to handle the displacement of workers.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by johnny861

It's not so much rural agg that is going away, it is family owned farms that are disappearing. In place, you'll have large agricultural corporations slowly take over those farms.

Like manufacturing, farm work will continue to automate and require less of a workforce.

The big issue is how to handle the displacement of workers.

lol - hello and welcome to 2009 johnny. It already happened... a decade or more ago.

Speaking to what happened in WI: Family farms disappeared. Corporate dairy farms consolidated holdings and milk hundreds of cows instead of 40-50. Many milk 24 hrs a day on several shifts and require more workers than the family farm did. Other farmers specialized in cropping single cash crops and many just sold their cows and went to work in the cities.

[johnny861]

Sorry, I think I was having a senile rant there... I'm really for sure what the point I was going to make was, if I even had one. lol


*edit* oh, it was the comment about the rural populations providing 100% of resources to the urban population. It would change little as large corporations take over the remaining farms and further automation requires a smaller work force.

/searches for cane and medication...

[PETA]

Originally Posted by johnny861

Sorry, I think I was having a senile rant there... I'm really for sure what the point I was going to make was, if I even had one. lol


*edit* oh, it was the comment about the rural populations providing 100% of resources to the urban population. It would change little as large corporations take over the remaining farms and further automation requires a smaller work force.

/searches for cane and medication...

ah.. true


The factory farms still employ a bunch of people but they get a lot more done with automated milking parlors in WI


I've got plenty of canes if you need to borrow one

[Dionysos]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

And yet the flipside of that irony is the libs give the impression they stand behind minorities. In fact, liberals have shown far more interest in pandering to the victim mindset of minorities than actually empowering them.

Sorta like conservatives and the pro-life/anti-gay-rights crowd. Don't worry, they're TOTALLY going to get to Roe v. Wade next time.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Dionysos

Sorta like conservatives and the pro-life/anti-gay-rights crowd. Don't worry, they're TOTALLY going to get to Roe v. Wade next time.

You're claiming that asserting that an unborn child is worth protecting is appealing to the LCD? Not buying that one.

Roe is one of the most atrociously written pieces of legal garbage ever; a fact acknowledged by many pro-abortion people. It was an attempt to give a desired policy force of law. They did it but it's embarassingly dumb. You aware of any rights eminating from the penumbra? I mean other than the right to kill unborn children?

[Dionysos]

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

You're claiming that asserting that an unborn child is worth protecting is appealing to the LCD? Not buying that one.

Roe is one of the most atrociously written pieces of legal garbage ever; a fact acknowledged by many pro-abortion people. It was an attempt to give a desired policy force of law. They did it but it's embarassingly dumb. You aware of any rights eminating from the penumbra? I mean other than the right to kill unborn children?

He said the left was happy to pander to minorities without doing anything substantive to help them. I was pointing out that the right does that with the anti-gay-rights & pro-life crowd. I didn't say anything about the quality of the bill, that wasn't the point.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Dionysos

He said the left was happy to pander to minorities without doing anything substantive to help them. I was pointing out that the right does that with the anti-gay-rights & pro-life crowd. I didn't say anything about the quality of the bill, that wasn't the point.

ah.... fair enough

[vinnie97]

Wow, I guess I should pull the "everybody ignores Dionysos" line after that logical leap. How is the right simply pandering to the pro traditional marriage and right to life crowd? I haven't seen anyone from the right championing gay marriage unless your contention is they're not doing enough until they denounce homos in the streets? Likewise, I'm pretty sure Bush, Jr. actually *did* seek to limit federal funding of abortion programs as well as some of the more heinous abortion practices (i.e. partial birth).

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by St. Stalin the Apathetic

Dude, really? Do you think black people can really compete with white people without the leg-up of affirmative action? Oppressed minorities are downtrodden because they are not good enough to make it on their own. The democrats recognize this and try to help those people out.

That is some wry wit, chief.

[PETA]

I do my best

[Dionysos]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Wow, I guess I should pull the "everybody ignores Dionysos" line after that logical leap. How is the right simply pandering to the pro traditional marriage and right to life crowd? I haven't seen anyone from the right championing gay marriage unless your contention is they're not doing enough until they denounce homos in the streets? Likewise, I'm pretty sure Bush, Jr. actually *did* seek to limit federal funding of abortion programs as well as some of the more heinous abortion practices (i.e. partial birth).

How many substantive legislative acts have they tried to get into law compared to how much they talked about those issues at election time? I'd say the ratio is quite low to the point of indefensible. You only hear them talking about constitutional amendments when elections start rolling around. You could throw flag burning amendments in that discussion as well, for that matter.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Dionysos

How many substantive legislative acts have they tried to get into law compared to how much they talked about those issues at election time?

true... I'd pointed that out all the time when people were harping on the GOP claiming they'd make abortion illegal (never mind that pesky Roe and Casey line of cases). Most GOPers can safely argue for stringent abortion restrictions because they rarely come up for a vote and even when they do SCOTUS strikes them. Thus, the GOP can have a great record to appeal to pro-lifers without really having to do anything.

[vinnie97]

Well, this obviously points to a greater truth about the usefulness of massive political parties when it comes to actually implementing legislative change on hot button issues...or having the stones to do it.