Sarah Palin just resigned as Governor

[DJ Gary-O]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/akmuck..._b_225817.html

[Ottica B]

good deal.

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by confucius

y can't all people who dislike Obama come to this simple point. Instead you bash him when we talk about Palin. You bash him when we talk about McCain. You bash him when we talk about his apparent OVERspending which can still be subsidized. People probably blame him for the stock market crashing, Maddoff's ponzi scheme and the War in Iraq. Ok, so I know that was a slippery slope, but the blame must go where it belongs...

Maybe the blame should fall on the shoulders of the administration. Maybe the blame should fall on the shoulders of the American people for allowing the gov't to get out of hand, without instituting new goverment...

Point still remains, Obama hasn't been in office a year and the results of his administrations actions haven't been shown. Alas, its already a mistake, but Bush's administrations laissez faire attitude and overspending to control the WAR on terror, before its own people first, wasn't!

If he is able to install universal health care, Obama wins!

Just like with Clinton, he is concentrating on fixing his own house moreso then fixing everyone else's...eventhough he still has to work to clean up a mess in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and other parts of the world.

Obama was handed a bag of shit and told to run with it and do the best he could. McCain is no longer an option. Who gives a fuck about the fresh faced, governor from Alaska who needs to worry about the problems in her own house [see bristol], before worrying about the country!

The machine, the world, would eat Palin up...Let's just be honest. And about McCain, his mother is going to outlive him....

let's just concentrate on doing the best we can with what we got and let the results speak when they are finally shown.

everything else, is just pissing in the pool

Hey, I can't help it if you're ignoring all my other posts that have shown some of my reasoning for disliking Obama. He's making it very easy as of late, the facade of "transparency" being only one of my complaints (others listed below and I've created threads delineating several of them as well). I just find it funny how so many on the left side like to jump on Palin developments while they seemingly ignore the trainwreck they voted in.

As far as Bush's previous mistakes, the whole 911 incident was pretty major and very likely jumpstarted the need to create more stable US allies in that Mideast region surrounding Iran. Obama's spending overall spending dwarfs that by several magnitudes.

Obama may not win anything if he manages to pass universal healthcare, especially if it follows this model that only has a 26% public success rating: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...form_a_success. The $1000 fine against all those who would refuse to sign on will be used to pay for this heightened role of government.

The cap & trade legislation that is being passed amounts to a business tax passed on to the middle class in the form of skyrocketing energy prices (this shows that Obama's claims about no new taxes for the middle class was, in effect, another lie). How does this make more sense than Bush? The global warming facade should not even be a part of the argument...the 2 good reasons for it are less pollution and energy resource independence but at what cost now? To send inflation into the stratosphere and further ask what the government can do for us, thereby providing them with more unbridled power? I don't want to *wait* to see how this plays out, as it's a disaster in the making.

You claim his overspending can be subsidized and that's the only way I can envision it to be possible (especially with a tax base that is vanishing with rising unemployment), which is why Pelosi. and co. are trying so hard to push it through.

This proposed expansion of government will ultimately do us few favors. I just don't believe like many of you that nanny government knows best in all these affairs.

[Ottica B]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Hey, I can't help it if you're ignoring all my other posts that have shown some of my reasoning for disliking Obama. He's making it very easy as of late, the facade of "transparency" being only one of my complaints (others listed below and I've created threads delineating several of them as well). I just find it funny how so many on the left side like to jump on Palin developments while they seemingly ignore the trainwreck they voted in.

As far as Bush's previous mistakes, the whole 911 incident was pretty major and very likely jumpstarted the need to create more stable US allies in that Mideast region surrounding Iran. Obama's spending overall spending dwarfs that by several magnitudes.

Obama may not win anything if he manages to pass universal healthcare, especially if it follows this model that only has a 26% public success rating: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...form_a_success. The $1000 fine against all those who would refuse to sign on will be used to pay for this heightened role of government.

The cap & trade legislation that is being passed amounts to a business tax passed on to the middle class in the form of skyrocketing energy prices (this shows that Obama's claims about no new taxes for the middle class was, in effect, another lie). How does this make more sense than Bush? The global warming facade should not even be a part of the argument...the 2 good reasons for it are less pollution and energy resource independence but at what cost now? To send inflation into the stratosphere and further ask what the government can do for us, thereby providing them with more unbridled power? I don't want to *wait* to see how this plays out, as it's a disaster in the making.

You claim his overspending can be subsidized and that's the only way I can envision it to be possible (especially with a tax base that is vanishing with rising unemployment), which is why Pelosi. and co. are trying so hard to push it through.

This proposed expansion of government will ultimately do us few favors. I just don't believe like many of you that nanny government knows best in all these affairs.

i disagree with this whole thang you typed here. pffft!!

[vinnie97]

haha, okay then. So be it. I'm just mentioning the proposed policies and what they entail if the professionals (not the guvment) are to be believed and who are largely relying on common sense and logic to reach their assessments.

[Ottica B]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

haha, okay then. So be it. I'm just mentioning the proposed policies and what they entail if the professionals (not the guvment) are to be believed and who are largely relying on common sense and logic to reach their assessments.

i ride with Obama on damn near everything. He is someone who believe's in American values and certainly doesn't go off half cocked and shit. Universal Healthcare is something he's gonna fix. idk? Like I said I'm someone who believe's fairly strong in him so....

[vinnie97]

I noticed. Just try to look at things objectively and if what you're supporting is actually feasible. Faith is one thing, blind faith is quite another. Rhetoric is also something that easily ensnares.

I was referencing cap and trade more than healthcare in my last statement but I hope you didn't ignore the Massachusetts healthcare poll: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...form_a_success

It's not a rosy picture.

[vinnie97]

and seriously, it looks like that no tax hike on middle class is already being rescinded:

You simply can't trust politicians.

[Ottica B]

no ultimately you just can't trust em.

[jaesun]

Originally Posted by Ottica B.

i ride with Obama on damn near everything.

You ride with what he says or what he does? It couldn't be both. Because they are two different things. Unless you'll just go along with just about anything as long as its Obama.

Originally Posted by Ottica B.

He is someone who believe's in American values and certainly doesn't go off half cocked and shit.

Strongly, STRONGLY debatable.

Originally Posted by Ottica B.

Universal Healthcare is something he's gonna fix. idk? Like I said I'm someone who believe's fairly strong in him so....

You think all of his ideas sound good now? I'll ask you that again in a year or more when the affects of his change and hope have taken effect and we all get a greater look at what it has done. You may not stand by him as much then.

Wait until the taxes that follow come along. The greatest Ponzie Scheme ever created was the US Tax Code. And Obama and his administration are using it to get more and more of your sweat and hard work to fund ideas they haven't fully thought out but think they look good on paper.

HELL, I wouldn't put so much trust in Obama when it comes to taxation. His own administration is full of people who do not understand US tax code or refuse to follow it. Six of Obama's nominees were either tangled up in the tax code's complexity or were simply crooks who sought to defraud the government. But we can just dismiss all of that as just an "honest mistake" right?

Single Payer Healthcare is similar to a Time Share Scheme. They show you pretty pictures of what you could have, lie to you about how wonderful it is, tell you it is so much better than what you have now, tell you how great it is that its for everyone and we all can use it, take large amounts of your hard earned money, and pat you on the back congratulating you for buying into it.

Then when you visit the damn thing you realise you've just spend way too much money for a run down old shack that looks nothing like the pictures. And on top of that they comand when you can use it, how much of it you can use, and who gets to use it.

But this isn't an exciting little vacation spot you realy didn't need. This is your healthcare that you can't live without. You've just been dooped. However there is one good thing... as promissed its something everyone can use, but you all have to share it. And there isn't enough to go around.

And by this time you get fed up with it and want out. But there is no out. They have no intention of keeping the public option around. They'll pass small bits of legislation over time to see to that. So now you have no other option. And there is sure as shit no going back once we have given the government that much control over our lives.

"No government voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs once launched never disapear. Actually, a government program is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this planet."
~ Ronald Reagan

[Ottica B]

Originally Posted by jaesun

You ride with what he says or what he does? It couldn't be both. Because they are two different things. Unless you'll just go along with just about anything as long as its Obama.



Strongly, STRONGLY debatable.



You think all of his ideas sound good now? I'll ask you that again in a year or more when the affects of his change and hope have taken effect and we all get a greater look at what it has done. You may not stand by him as much then.

Wait until the taxes that follow come along. The greatest Ponzie Scheme ever created was the US Tax Code. And Obama and his administration are using it to get more and more of your sweat and hard work to fund ideas they haven't fully thought out but look good on paper.

HELL, I wouldn't put so much trust in Obama when it comes to taxation. His own administration is full of people who do not understand US tax code or refuse to follow it. Six of Obama's nominees were either tangled up in the tax code's complexity or were simply crooks who sought to defraud the government. But we can just dismiss all of that as just an "honest mistake" right?

Single Payer Healthcare is similar to a Time Share Scheme. They show you pretty pictures of what you could have, lie to you about how wonderful it is, tell you it is so much better than what you have now, tell you how great it is that its for everyone and we all can use it, take large amounts of your hard earned money, and pat you on the back congratulating you for buying into it.

Then when you visit the damn thing you realise you've just spend way too much money for a run down old shack that looks nothing like the pictures. And on top of that they comand when you can use it, how much of it you can use, and who gets to use it.

But this isn't an exciting little vacation spot you realy didn't need. This is your healthcare that you can't live without. You've just been dooped. However there is one good thing... as promissed its something everyone can use, but you all have to share it. And there isn't enough to go around.

And by this time you get fed up with it and want out. But there is no out. They have no intention of keeping the public option around. They'll pass small bits of legislation over time to see to that. So now you have no other option. And there is sure as shit no going back once we have given the government that much control over our lives.

"No government voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs once launched never disapear. Actually, a government program is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this planet."
~ Ronald Reagan

look buddy i'd bet my last damn dollar your a republican. i ride with Obama cuz if your an indivual tryin to do anything for yourself these days you can't afford to be republican. I mean it is what it is guy. Oh and you ask me do I ride with what he say's or what he does? You act as if the man has just entirely flipped the script on America. I mean damn why such poor opinion about a man who has only said such good things? He has'nt even made much of any move whatsoever but yet you seem to know him so well..

[jaesun]

Originally Posted by Ottica B.

look buddy i'd bet my last damn dollar your a republican.

I claim neither rep nor dem. Never have and never will.

Originally Posted by Ottica B.

i ride with Obama cuz if your an indivual tryin to do anything for yourself these days you can't afford to be republican.

Please explain. Tell me how you came to your conclusion.

Originally Posted by Ottica B.

I mean it is what it is guy. Oh and you ask me do I ride with what he say's or what he does? You act as if the man has just entirely flipped the script on America.

Taxing of the middle class, guantanamo, transparency of government, pulling out of Iraq (not just relocating them outside of the cities), special interests, pork barrel spending, etc, etc, etc..........

Originally Posted by Ottica B.

I mean damn why such poor opinion about a man who has only said such good things?

"Said" is exactly right. He'll tell you what you want to hear like any other politician. But he'll hide from you the ugly side of what it will actually do and how much it will cost you.

Keep drinking the kool-aid, kid.

Originally Posted by Ottica B.

He has'nt even made much of any move whatsoever but yet you seem to know him so well..

No move whatsoever? I've never seen a man move so fast to force his ideals on America. The man is moving so fast no one even gets a chance to read a 1,000+ page bill before they have to sign it NOW NOW NOW HURRY!!! Because he doesn't want you to find out whats really going on until its too late.

[Ottica B]

well you seem to know alot more than anyone else about president Obama. I may be very wrong here cuz I haven't read any of the 1,000+ page bills he's tryin to pass. I just don't know that much about him yet maybe? You think we should keep all the thousands of soliders in Iraq? Maybe thats easy for you to say cuz you haven't spent some odd years there..idk? We are spending millions of dollars to fund another country when it's not nessessary. I do know people like you voice your opinions very strongly when you have no actual true reason for talkin negitive about moving troops out or taxing or anything else really in my opinion. Maybe president Bush was better in your opinion? I think the republican party has made it very hard for the working class people of my time and the democratic party has benifited me a great deal. Thats all I think and I am entitled to have an opinion so there it is..

[Ottica B]

..and in all actuality Obama has'nt given you any reason for saying he's trying to hide things from America or Congress. Why do you have these opinions and where do they originate is my question to you? I mean you believe the innocent are guilty before any real courses of action have taken place. Slow down alittle here okay? He's wanting to reunite soliders with their families. He wants to improve healtcare. Okay I agree to improve healtcare there is money needed. Who will pay for it is a good question too. All I can say is I have never heard a president speak to America the way Obama has. Nobody really knows what is gonna happen by next year but I am gonna have faith in our president cuz he seems to be valid but again in the same breathe I could be very wrong. This is a debate that could last for a very long time and neither of us know whats gonna happen down the road Jaesun.

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by Ottica B.

..and in all actuality Obama has'nt given you any reason for saying he's trying to hide things from America or Congress. Why do you have these opinions and where do they originate is my question to you?

Did you miss this: http://www.dallasdancemusic.com/foru...han-nixon.html ?

Helen Thomas is a lifelong Democrat and notorious left-leaning reporter...she wouldn't go off the handle like that without good reason. If someone of her caliber is suggesting this administration is keeping such a strong leash on the media (strongest ever?), then ANY free-thinking person should be keeping Obama's administration under close scrutiny. If you're only paying attention to what Obama says, you're doing yourself a major disservice. He never speaks without a teleprompter and all of his quotes that appear in mainstream media articles are carefully filtered for content.

The fact that so many tax irregularities have come to light from members of Obama's cabinet along with the fact that they're ramming through the biggest spending bills ever should give you pause.