Health Bill Might Direct Tax Money to Abortion

[Damnsammit]

Teenagers are sluts now because of MTV and Michael Jackson.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by zerojunkie

No, two to three fifths of all firstborns were conceived out of wedlock in western Europe and the US in the 19th century. Just like your sordid family stories point out. It was still happening despite the consequences.

I could tell you stories... thast side of the family... damn..

we're in the town I grew up in eating lunch at my cousin's diner... my dad says to me, "see those 4 people in the booth behind me? That's Jill's boyfriend his sister and her husband Randy's parents. That's Randy sitting at the counter. The boyfriend told me last week he was concerned that Jill was cheating on him... with her husband. Jess (Jill's oldest and unmarred daughter & born out of wedlock) is currently pregnant with ..." and here I forget the story gets so fucking twisted, and bizarre... I swear to God they're West Virginians.

Originally Posted by zerojunkie

I'll concede that most of the premarital sex was had with the person they were going to marry anyways. Which is obviously different than it is today. I'm just saying that seeing it on TV doesn't make a girl or guy who would otherwise be abstinent perk up and go bang a hooker. Like you said, the pill and in turn the sexual revolution had a lot more to do with where we're at now than sex on tv.

Perhaps the distinction is promiscuity?

TV. imo, largely reflects society rather than drives it (not to say there isn't any driving...). Its akin to the notion that the fashion industry sets the standard of beauty... bullshit. If that were true the industry would find the most common middle of the road and broadly representative models it could find in order to sell its product. Standards of beauty are set by consumers.

[vinnie97]

Definitely the sexual revolution has a lot to do with the prevalence of promiscuity but to say media bears no responsibility is being dishonest.

[PETA]

who said that?

[tricky]

One eye-catching line from the cacophony of Republican hysteria over health care reform:

We have the best health care system in the world. Most Americans live within an hour's drive of a world-class medical facility filled with expertly trained individuals and state-of-the-art technology delivering medical miracles every day.

So who needs reform? You're within an hour of being able to look at a building where you could get health care if you're lucky enough to afford it

hah

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by PETA

who said that?

If you didn't, there's no reason to take it personally. The post was more of an agreement...

Oh yea, from what I understand, this so-called health reform also demands that religious institutions provide abortions, even if it is against their own beliefs. I'm sure the Catholics will love to know that.

BTW, it's not just "Republican hysteria" over healthcare reform. The Democratic party is eating its own over the bill and even the clinic in Ohio that Obama praised just admitted that the bill in its current form will increase costs for everyone.

[zerojunkie]

Originally Posted by PETA

I could tell you stories... thast side of the family... damn..

we're in the town I grew up in eating lunch at my cousin's diner... my dad says to me, "see those 4 people in the booth behind me? That's Jill's boyfriend his sister and her husband Randy's parents. That's Randy sitting at the counter. The boyfriend told me last week he was concerned that Jill was cheating on him... with her husband. Jess (Jill's oldest and unmarred daughter & born out of wedlock) is currently pregnant with ..." and here I forget the story gets so fucking twisted, and bizarre... I swear to God they're West Virginians.

lol...reminds me that my heritage has its roots in the great state of Alabama. Although I never caught wind of any of their wheels off stories.

Originally Posted by PETA

Perhaps the distinction is promiscuity?

TV. imo, largely reflects society rather than drives it (not to say there isn't any driving...). Its akin to the notion that the fashion industry sets the standard of beauty... bullshit. If that were true the industry would find the most common middle of the road and broadly representative models it could find in order to sell its product. Standards of beauty are set by consumers.

Dude, size zero is not hot. Then again I wouldn't count myself as a consumer. But yeah, TV and the internet are largely reflective of society. Vint Cerf, one of the Internet's creators, said something to the same effect when asked if the internet should be censored.

[GLopez]

Originally Posted by PETA

Its akin to the notion that the fashion industry sets the standard of beauty... bullshit. If that were true the industry would find the most common middle of the road and broadly representative models it could find in order to sell its product. Standards of beauty are set by consumers.

Miranda Priestly would probably disagree with you.


(Miranda and her assistants are deciding between two similar belts for an outfit. Andy sniggers because she thinks they look exactly the same.)

Miranda Priestly: Something funny?

Andy Sachs: No, no, nothing. Y'know, it's just that both those belts look exactly the same to me. Y'know, I'm still learning about all this stuff.

Miranda Priestly: This... 'stuff'? Oh... ok. I see, you think this has nothing to do with you. You go to your closet and you select out, oh I don't know, that lumpy blue sweater, for instance, because you're trying to tell the world that you take yourself too seriously to care about what you put on your back. But what you don't know is that that sweater is not just blue, it's not turquoise, it's not lapis, it's actually cerulean. You're also blindly unaware of the fact that in 2002, Oscar de la Renta did a collection of cerulean gowns. And then I think it was Yves St Laurent, wasn't it, who showed cerulean military jackets? And then cerulean quickly showed up in the collections of eight different designers. Then it filtered down through the department stores and then trickled on down into some tragic "casual corner" where you, no doubt, fished it out of some clearance bin. However, that blue represents millions of dollars and countless jobs and so it's sort of comical how you think that you've made a choice that exempts you from the fashion industry when, in fact, you're wearing the sweater that was selected for you by the people in this room. From a pile of "stuff."

[PETA]

lol - didn't she break her leg or something thus proving fashion to be a health hazard?

[tricky]

interesting

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Conservative Cognitive Dissonance on Public Healthcare

By Daniel Miessler on July 24th, 2009: Tagged as Healthcare | Politics

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There’s a saying in atheism circles that aims to show Christian hypocrisy related to how they dismiss all the thousands of gods that have existed previously, yet fail to understand how atheists dismiss theirs:

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. – Stephen Roberts

Interestingly enough, the same concept applies to conservatives and healthcare. Here’s my modified version of this quote:

I contend that we both support public services. I just believe in supporting one more than you do. When you understand why you support public schools, a public fire department, and a public police force, you’ll then understand why I support public health care.

In other words, you’ll find that most conservatives are quite comfortable with calling a taxpayer-funded fire truck when their precious home is engulfed in flames. Similarly, if a conservative sees someone suspicious in his neighborhood he’ll probably not suffer any philosophical anguish while calling the taxpayer-funded police department.
Neither of these entities are for-profit. They are publicly funded and aren’t competing directly with private services. And it’s the same with public schools. Private services can compete with them if they so choose, and that’s fine, but you won’t find many conservatives arguing that the public versions of the services should go away.
Ultimately, conservatives need to answer a very simple question: what is the difference between someone’s home being on fire and someone’s child needing chemotherapy?
The answer is nothing–not in a modern society. So sure–debate all you want about implementation. Let’s hear plenty of conversation about efficiency and avoiding bureaucracy and such, but the concept itself of public healthcare should not be fought on principle. If one wants to have that conversation then it must also be had regarding all the other public services that are widely accepted as foundations of any first world society. ::

[david austin]

Its dead (no pun intended) for now anyways

It likely forever will be. I doubt we will be able to agree on anything of this magnitude for a long time.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by david austin

Its dead (no pun intended) for now anyways

It likely forever will be. I doubt we will be able to agree on anything of this magnitude for a long time.

Pretty much, Reid saying no vote until fall meant he doesn't have the votes now... and its not going to be easier to get them later rather than sooner.

The good news is that perhaps some incremental and immediately beneficial reform might result from a compromise in the interim. The electronic records issue Matt likes to raise seems a pretty obvious issue both sides could agree on. Finding a way to "de-regulate" for lack of a better term would be useful... as in, playground injuries and minor illness - do we really need full blows doctor's visits? How about a system of clinics staffed with nurses and PAs under the supervision of a doctor who can handle stiches, writing scripts for anti-biotics etc... a system that is subject to market forces to keep prices down?

[tricky]

mr badass healthcare nino missed this