obamas "change" crap and government transparency

[davinci]

so i dont get it, obama touts all this about change, and government spending run a muck etc, he cuts millitary spending on lots of projects like f22 yet he doubles last years budget of "BLACK OPS" to 50billion, so much for obama putting a check on the pentagon spending

this is 50 billion dollars that is not accountable for, for top secret and above projects, wtf! these parts of the government like the nro, and such have no oversight what so ever, whistleblowers and former heads of these secret orgs have even stated that things are so out of hand, that there projects are not even upheld by constitution, there are amends in laws for these blackops that say legally they can not b called to court, nor do laws apply to them and they do not have to abide by any parts of the supreme court.

to me this is just stupid, 20 something levels above top secret meaning not even our own president can access the information or make it public even if he wanted to, and they cannot even if the court ordered it, they are above the law and spending all kinds of cash on spying, ufo's, top secret planes etc

yet here is obama talkin about change and a government with oversight, man put that 50billion dollars to some better use

[Typofile]

You know what I'm sick of? I'm sick of people bitching about Obama, not even a year into his presidency. When we were hit on 9-11, the whole country rallied behind Bush. It was a special situation, an emergency, and we put all of our shitty little complaints and preferences aside and stood behind our president.

Guess what? We have been hit again. Another emergency. Another extremely scary and serious event has taken place. I, for one, will stand behind my president and trust that they are doing everything they can to keep our country strong.

Seriously, I'm tired of all of this whining and complaining. Where is YOUR patriotism? Where is YOUR support during one of our country's biggest crisis? Alot of people didn't particularly like Bush, but when our country faced a horrible situation, we all rallied around him. We stood behind him for years. We gave him his chance.

Obama has been in office for a few months. Our country is facing yet another serious and frightening challenge. Have some fucking respect. Have some pride. Give him a chance. If after 4 years he has ran our country into the ground, then you can say I told you so.

All of this hatred and bad-mouthing from the right isn't doing ANYTHING AT ALL for the conservatives. Its a democratic strategist's wet dream.

[vinnie97]

This current disaster has been wrought by power brokers at the top who, as far as I can, are simply being rewarded for the bad behavior that got us here. For that reason, it's hard to "rally behind Obama."

The whole healthcare facade and cap and trade taxation ideas speak for themselves...why should we just blindly jump on board something that will hasten our demise?

[Typofile]

I'll have you remember that the entire country rallied behind a massively expensive war that had absolutely nothing to do with 9-11. We did it without even flinching. I never understood it, but I supported it for a very long time, and like many others, I hoped for the best. Still to this day, I don't understand it, but I will at least admit that there were good things that came out it.

I just don't understand the logic behind all of these complaints regarding the current administration. Praying for failure is something that I just can't feature.

[Typofile]

Perhaps I have been conditioned into the "you are either with us, or against us" mindframe.

[The House Rocka]

Originally Posted by davinci

so i dont get it, obama touts all this about change, and government spending run a muck etc, he cuts millitary spending on lots of projects like f22 yet he doubles last years budget of "BLACK OPS" to 50billion, so much for obama putting a check on the pentagon spending

this is 50 billion dollars that is not accountable for, for top secret and above projects, wtf! these parts of the government like the nro, and such have no oversight what so ever, whistleblowers and former heads of these secret orgs have even stated that things are so out of hand, that there projects are not even upheld by constitution, there are amends in laws for these blackops that say legally they can not b called to court, nor do laws apply to them and they do not have to abide by any parts of the supreme court.

to me this is just stupid, 20 something levels above top secret meaning not even our own president can access the information or make it public even if he wanted to, and they cannot even if the court ordered it, they are above the law and spending all kinds of cash on spying, ufo's, top secret planes etc

yet here is obama talkin about change and a government with oversight, man put that 50billion dollars to some better use

I tried telling everybody.... This is just the beginning! It's America's fault for voting him into office. They wanted change, they're gonna get it. Just not in the way they expected. There's a reason 1% of American's make 99% of the money. Some people are easily fooled, no drive, no determination, no in depth morality to discover.... It is very sad, very VERY sad!

[tricky]

Originally Posted by The House Rocka

I tried telling everybody.... This is just the beginning! It's America's fault for voting him into office. They wanted change, they're gonna get it. Just not in the way they expected. There's a reason 1% of American's make 99% of the money. Some people are easily fooled, no drive, no determination, no in depth morality to discover.... It is very sad, very VERY sad!

I assume you are in that 1% since you have drive, determinaton, and in depth morality....?

[jtoosweet]

I don't keep up with politics, but isn't Obama doing something for Africa? To save them from the diamond wars or something? I keep hoping that will happen.

[johnny861]

Originally Posted by davinci

so i dont get it, obama touts all this about change, and government spending run a muck etc, he cuts millitary spending on lots of projects like f22 yet he doubles last years budget of "BLACK OPS" to 50billion, so much for obama putting a check on the pentagon spending

this is 50 billion dollars that is not accountable for, for top secret and above projects, wtf! these parts of the government like the nro, and such have no oversight what so ever, whistleblowers and former heads of these secret orgs have even stated that things are so out of hand, that there projects are not even upheld by constitution, there are amends in laws for these blackops that say legally they can not b called to court, nor do laws apply to them and they do not have to abide by any parts of the supreme court.

to me this is just stupid, 20 something levels above top secret meaning not even our own president can access the information or make it public even if he wanted to, and they cannot even if the court ordered it, they are above the law and spending all kinds of cash on spying, ufo's, top secret planes etc

yet here is obama talkin about change and a government with oversight, man put that 50billion dollars to some better use

The aliens must be getting tired of that shitty 1950's Turqoise decor at Area 51.
Shit just needs some remodelling, y0. Maybe some marble counter tops, modern appliances. We keep them happy and they keep feeding us new fighter jet designs. It's a trade off.

[johnny861]

Originally Posted by tricky

I assume you are in that 1% since you have drive, determinaton, and in depth morality....?

I'm not so sure about the in depth morality, since people like Bernie Madoff are in the top 1%.

I think it's more like you gotta be mother fucking cold, calculated and ruthless to be in the top 1%.

[davinci]

Originally Posted by johnny861

The aliens must be getting tired of that shitty 1950's Turqoise decor at Area 51.
Shit just needs some remodelling, y0. Maybe some marble counter tops, modern appliances. We keep them happy and they keep feeding us new fighter jet designs. It's a trade off.

haha i just dont like the fact that my money is goin to an above the law orgs, and there is no oversight, i dont care about revamping our spy satellites so they can b used domestically, i dont care about having the aurura that can do mach 7, i dont care about harp or bluebeam, and im not a conspiracy theorist, i just wish mr obama would of stuck to his words of a better gov, instead of change he is serving up the same. yet our economy is crap (i know it takes time to fix) and healthcare is gettin cost cuts, yet my money is going to subcontractors of the dod for who knows what..... its crap at least get me a job with one of these defense companys so i can get paid good money to spy domestically lol

[davinci]

i have read breakdowns of the 2010 black budget line items, i could care less that they want to spend 104 million on a freaking real life ray gun project......... come on lol *rolls eyes*

[SeedfulMusic]

Originally Posted by Typofile

I, for one, will stand behind my president and trust that they are doing everything they can to keep our country strong.

I feel really sad for you. You honestly think one President is different than the next.

[johnny861]

The military industrial complex has been a big ugly beast for over 50 years now and will most likely continue to be one.

I certainly don't like the idea that there are agencies operating above the law. There needs to be some accountability. That's just plain scary.

As for the defense budget, I can't form an opinion on it yet as there are still changes being made. Projects will be weighed, canceled, shuffled, and money will be repurposed, etc...

I'll wait to see what it look likes by the end of the year. Our defense budget makes up half of the total global spending on defense, which is just nuts. If a decent amount is reduced, i'll be content (for the moment), but if not, I'll certainly have a few choice words to say.

[The House Rocka]

Originally Posted by SeedfulMusic

I feel really sad for you. You honestly think one President is different than the next.

Agreed, although not sure about the depth in your quote. Besides the fact of his lies, I do not believe he is a REAL president. Even though Bush had his enemies, I stood behind him. Yes we can talk about the war, but he continued and did not back down no matter what was said, written or thought about, that's a leader, continuing to pursue action, I believe him and all our past presidents were REAL presidents. This guy has something up his sleeve and I know it. We are in real life history right now. There hasn't been any leader in history of his mark on the World since Hitler. Getting my drift? Minus bin laden of course, but that foo's in hiding like a little bitch....