He is nagging a lot...

[Sinner]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/...lar_disorderly




CAMBRIDGE, Mass. – The white police sergeant criticized by President Barack Obama for arresting black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. in his Massachusetts home is a police academy expert on understanding racial profiling.
Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class about racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.
"I have nothing but the highest respect for him as a police officer. He is very professional and he is a good role model for the young recruits in the police academy," Fleming told The Associated Press on Thursday.
The course, called "Racial Profiling," teaches about different cultures that officers could encounter in their community "and how you don't want to single people out because of their ethnic background or the culture they come from," Fleming said.
Obama has said the Cambridge officers "acted stupidly" in arresting Gates last week when they responded to his house after a woman reported a suspected break-in.
Crowley, 42, has maintained he did nothing wrong and has refused to apologize, as Gates has demanded.
Crowley responded to Gates' home near Harvard University last week to investigate a report of a burglary and demanded Gates show him identification. Police say Gates at first refused, flew into a rage and accused the officer of racism.
Gates was charged with disorderly conduct. The charge was dropped Tuesday.
Gates' supporters maintain his arrest was a case of racial profiling. Officers were called to the home by a woman who said she saw "two black males with backpacks" trying to break in the front door. Gates has said he arrived home from an overseas trip and the door was jammed.
Obama was asked about the arrest of Gates, who is his friend, at the end of a nationally televised news conference on health care Wednesday night.
"I think it's fair to say, No. 1, any of us would be pretty angry," Obama said. "No. 2, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home. And No. 3 — what I think we know separate and apart from this incident — is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately, and that's just a fact."
In radio interviews Thursday morning, Crowley maintained he followed procedure.
"I support the president of the United States 110 percent. I think he was way off base wading into a local issue without knowing all the facts as he himself stated before he made that comment," Crowley told WBZ-AM. "I guess a friend of mine would support my position, too."
Crowley did not immediately respond to messages left Thursday by the AP. The Cambridge police department scheduled a news conference for later Thursday.
Gates has said he was "outraged" by the arrest. He said the white officer walked into his home without his permission and only arrested him as the professor followed him to the porch, repeatedly demanding the sergeant's name and badge number because he was unhappy over his treatment.
"This isn't about me; this is about the vulnerability of black men in America," Gates said.
He said the incident made him realize how vulnerable poor people and minorities are "to capricious forces like a rogue policeman, and this man clearly was a rogue policeman."
The president said federal officials need to continue working with local law enforcement "to improve policing techniques so that we're eliminating potential bias."
Fellow officers, black and white, say Crowley is well-liked and respected on the force. Crowley was a campus police officer at Brandeis University in July 1993 when he administered CPR trying to save the life of former Boston Celtics player Reggie Lewis. Lewis, who was black, collapsed and died during an off-season workout.
Gov. Deval Patrick, who is black, said he was troubled and upset over the incident. Cambridge Mayor Denise Simmons, who also is black, has said she spoke with Gates and apologized on behalf of the city, and a statement from the city called the July 16 incident "regrettable and unfortunate."
The mayor refused Thursday to comment on the president's remarks.
Police supporters charge that Gates, director of Harvard's W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research, was responsible for his own arrest by overreacting.
Black students and professors at Harvard have complained for years about racial profiling by Cambridge and campus police. Harvard commissioned an independent committee last year to examine the university's race relations after campus police confronted a young black man who was using tools to remove a bike lock. The man worked at Harvard and owned the bike.

[djetaine]

tl;dr

[Deff Gordon]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...092gates1.html

[Sinner]

lol@"ya, I'll speak with your mama outside."

[Sinner]

Originally Posted by Deff Gordon

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...092gates1.html

the more I read, the more racist I'm becoming.
srsly.

[PETA]

If the dude would have put down the fucking phone and said, "thank you officer for responding to the call. I live here. Here's my ID." Then this diuscussion wouldn't be happening.

And, before the inevitable, "but but black man... white person no ID..."

My kid dialed 911 once... no lie. Police responded to the call. They knocked on the door and asked to come in and asked to see ID. My wife let them in and showed them ID and asked them if they wanted to look around to clear the call. They declined and went home. Wasn't because she's white - it was because she didn't take an immediately defiant attitude towards the police. The cops... they don't fucking need you and me giving them more shit than they already take. Sticking one's finger in their eye isn't a good way to relate to them.

[GLopez]

I wonder if Crowley were black... and responded the exact way that white Crowley responded... would it still be considered racial profiling.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by GLopez

I wonder if Crowley were black... and responded the exact way that white Crowley responded... would it still be considered racial profiling.

racial profiling means a black guy got arretted and he's pissed about it

[Funkenstein]

Originally Posted by PETA

racial profiling means some black guys got arrested continually over a period of time (and without provocation or anything occuring to spur inquiry so many times) and they're pissed about it

Fixed.



Again I sometimes wonder if I am fully black because the few times I've been pulled over, I have had my Jazz on low volume alongside of insurance and license in both hands outside of the window and at the ready before they even start the walk to my driver's side door.

Friendly banter and letting them speak first has seemed to work well in keeping me on the straight and narrow.

Then again, some of these fools out here listening to intently to the foolishness on the radio asking them to be "hard". Hard will get you treated hard. Looks like Gates learned that in this case (if the posted info from that link is correct).

Always be bigger than the situation when possible is what I was told.

[Deff Gordon]

if you get pulled over at night. turn on your interior light.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Funkenstein

Fixed.



Again I sometimes wonder if I am fully black because the few times I've been pulled over, I have had my Jazz on low volume alongside of insurance and license in both hands outside of the window and at the ready before they even start the walk to my driver's side door.

Friendly banter and letting them speak first has seemed to work well in keeping me on the straight and narrow.

Then again, some of these fools out here listening to intently to the foolishness on the radio asking them to be "hard". Hard will get you treated hard. Looks like Gates learned that in this case (if the posted info from that link is correct).

Always be bigger than the situation when possible is what I was told.

My encounters with the police wherte I was confrontational with them often resulted in my in handcuffs. Think I can be argumentative or have an issue w/authority? Toss in 6 pints of beer. When I was calm and polite... it never did.

Profiling is an abused term. It doesn't mean arrested for being black.

There was another incident, iirc at Harvard, where a black man in a suit was arrested. Turns out he was faculty or some such thing. He asserted profiling when he simply met the description of a theif who had just been reported to campus police. If it were truly indiscriminate arresting of black people why was he singled out? Because the other black cats didn't meet the description.

Chief Wiggum.... the suspect is getting away.... in a.... car.... the suspect is hatless, repeat hatless.

A primary tool in describing a suspect is race - that's because people of different races look different. And looking different makes it easier to distinguish this person from that person.

I'm not saying that there aren't cops who inappropriately treat suspects (regardless of race) but the Prof, as I said above, could have avoided the whole issue by turning off the phone and producing his ID. He chose the path of the defiant punk and goit punked. Fuck him.

[Funkenstein]

Originally Posted by PETA

Profiling is an abused term. It doesn't mean arrested for being black.

Agreed on sentence one and I HOPE that everyone understands number two.

Originally Posted by PETA

Chief Wiggum.... the suspect is getting away.... in a.... car.... the suspect is hatless, repeat hatless.

A primary tool in describing a suspect is race - that's because people of different races look different. And looking different makes it easier to distinguish this person from that person.

LOL. I see what you did there.

Absolutely race must play a factor when ascertaining whodunit, but unless there is a trend in whatever area has implemented the need to "profile" (sometimes these things occur as you even allude to in the next quotable), then it is sometimes questionable in its use.

Originally Posted by PETA

I'm not saying that there aren't cops who inappropriately treat suspects (regardless of race) but the Prof, as I said above, could have avoided the whole issue by turning off the phone and producing his ID. He chose the path of the defiant punk and got punked. Fuck him.

Just like in Indiana Jones and the Quest for the Holy Grail: "He chose. . .poorly."



To Merritt: I left that part out about turning on the lights, but that's because I'm extremely dark. It also saves on being asked to step out of your car as well.



QUICK EDIT: LOL @ Micah playing the racist card.

[Sinner]

Originally Posted by PETA

A primary tool in describing a suspect is race - that's because people of different races look different.

racist.

[BigBallinColin]

I can see how he wasn't very helpful, at the same time I can see how pissed off I would be if I just got back from a trip I had to beat down my damn door and some bitch neighbor called the fucking cops because I was black. I am not saying he was doing things properly but if the cop had just said it was a mistake and was just doing my job and left it would have also been a non issue.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Funkenstein

Absolutely race must play a factor when ascertaining whodunit, but unless there is a trend in whatever area has implemented the need to "profile" (sometimes these things occur as you even allude to in the next quotable), then it is sometimes questionable in its use.

But you're using the term in its abused sense. Profiling is not a single factor.

profile

4: a set of data often in graphic form portraying the significant features of something <a corporation's earnings profile> ; especially : a graph representing the extent to which an individual exhibits traits or abilities as determined by tests or ratings

Race is a factor amongst many and is useful in differentiating between those in the class of potential suspects and those not in it. On it's own it is entirely useless.

With Gates there was no profiling involved. There was a call to the cops who responded, found a man meeting the description of the person described by the caller as breaking in to the house. Had he produced ID the event would have been over with a chuckle. He did indeed choose poorly.

Originally Posted by NoKegger4U

racist.

homo racist

Originally Posted by BigBallinColin

I can see how he wasn't very helpful, at the same time I can see how pissed off I would be if I just got back from a trip I had to beat down my damn door and some bitch neighbor called the fucking cops because I was black. I am not saying he was doing things properly but if the cop had just said it was a mistake and was just doing my job and left it would have also been a non issue.

She called the cops because she thought some one was breaking into the house.

You could be right... the cops may have been able to difuse the situation. Then again, maybe not. From what I read (granted little) he became immediately hostile and gave the cops little room for cool diplomacy.

Still, the cops don't need you and they don't need me. It will never be effective to go the, "do you know who the fuck I am" route. It may not be fair that he or we need to prove to the cop that we are who we say we are but that's the way of the world.