Why do you support Communist/Socialist ideology?

[zerojunkie]

Originally Posted by PETA

probably a little less nasty than Tricky's reign of terror

No arguments here.

Originally Posted by david austin

Expanding the monetary base by trillions while presiding over a 95% loss in its value.

Operation outside of oversight IS the inherent problem.

So who would oversee it, and how would you keep it from being politicized?

[PETA]

Originally Posted by david austin

Obviously... just saying that the 'oversight' and 'regulation' we have is sub par at best.

Not necessarily. Could be that even if it was done well bad things could still happen. Regulation isn't a panacea.

Originally Posted by david austin

I am not looking towards massive regulation where I have to get a congressional waiver to release a chart pdf lol... but allowing what was allowed to happen over the past 10 years to boil under the surface, ultimately explode to the surface, and then try and sweep under the rug so it can boil further is borderline criminal.

Read an interesting article that in essence accused Fannie and Freddie of trying to upstage Treasury as the benchmark for bond issues. The theory goes that the gov't was supposed to run surplusses for the considerable future thus diminishing the T-Bill position. Fannie/Freddie were becoming more and more bond market players then mortgage players. They would be a private (mostly) company (GSE) with their risk assured by the gov't. They would be able to borrow at the government rate. The gov't wouldn't want to take them on because so many congressmen used them as a cash cow. They'd be bigger than US Steel to borrow a line from Hyman Roth. Apparently they even trademarked the name "benchmark" and issued bonds under that name. It was a bold attempt to not just sack and pillage buy to establish a dominant presence and control the bond market. They'd control the spice.

Originally Posted by david austin

Essentially the oversight we do have is crap. Everyone is bed with everyone else. Unfortunately we have come too far to fix it without severe consequences for most of us. The longer this all goes on the harder the fall... and eventually it will lead to wars, regime changes, etc...

Like I said, could be that regardless of the level of oversight that this shit would still have happened.

As smart as regulators may be... clever accountant and lawyers with the help of unscrupulous management can find a way around them. The more complicated it becomes the more byzantine and arcane the regulation the more those clever private experts will be able to put underpaid gov't regulators in knots of red tape.

Transparency more than regulation with private due diligence companies that can communicate changes more accurately and quickly than bond rating agencies perhaps?

[Ottica B]

i ain't the sharpest tool in the shed but anyone tell me of any benifits communist ideaology has made for any country?

[Ottica B]

look what it did to cuba,russia,india,china..etc


fuck look what this awful thinking and political view did all throughout our biblical timeline. SHIT!

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Ottica B.

i support Socialist ideology cuz i don't want church goers to kill me.

lol - what does one have to do with the other?

Originally Posted by Ottica B.

i also support it due to the fact that without it alot of you would get your shit took from you from angry hardcore thugs that don't give a fuck.

huh? Socialism protects private property from theives? Or did you mean government thugs? Because under a socialist regime the thieving thugs usually are the government

[Ottica B]

i just don't believe in communist ideaology. look at Castro and all the force fed ideaology he punished cuba with. i am not saying socialism is the answer but communist thinking could lead and prolly def would lead to the collapse of the church and ice cream parlors..etc

/not that i give 2 fucks about religion. just sayin.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by Ottica B.

i just don't believe in communist ideaology. look at Castro and all the force fed ideaology he punished cuba with. i am not saying socialism is the answer but communist thinking could lead and prolly def would lead to the collapse of the church and ice cream parlors..etc

/not that i give 2 fucks about religion. just sayin.

Unfortunately Ottica... I don't think you see the fine line between Socialism and Communism. That's why (to me) your comments seem to conflict each other.

Remember that Karl Marx guy?

so⋅cial⋅ism

 –noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

com⋅mu⋅nism

–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2. a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.
3. the principles and practices of the Communist party.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Ottica B.

i just don't believe in communist ideaology. look at Castro and all the force fed ideaology he punished cuba with. i am not saying socialism is the answer but communist thinking could lead and prolly def would lead to the collapse of the church and ice cream parlors..etc

/not that i give 2 fucks about religion. just sayin.

Oddly enough, one thing the Soviets did fantastically well was ice cream.... at least they did it well when I was there.

[Ottica B]

hey real talk i dumb you all know this but i certainly learn alotta shit talking to you all.

[PETA]

you crack me up Ottica... and they really did make good ice cream... especially the lemon stuff - yum yum. They'd have it in these great big blocks on a wooden cutting board and they'd slice off a chunk with one of those frosting knives.. kinda look like palette knives

[Ottica B]

i'm just a real dude that dosen't know a whole hellava lot about politics but wished i did. i'll fuck around with you guys up in this beast till i learn what's really going on.

[Keith P]

I'm an advocate of a mixed economy, which is what America and every leading nation practices in some variation.

I support socialist policies but I advocate Communism no more than I do staunch capitalism.

That being said, America doesn't keep enough of its industry or money at home. History has shown that the working class needs to be protected AND educated. I'm placing alot of emphasis on that last part. A knowledgeable work force may cause problems for employers but it eventually gives way to far more productive industry.

Certain policies protect the interests and well being of the populace. I don't feel thats a right but rather a given.

P.S. I don't need a break down on Marxism. I have the communist manifesto sitting on my bookshelf.

[Funkenstein]

Originally Posted by Ottica B.

i'm just a real dude that dosen't know a whole hellava lot about politics but wished i did. i'll fuck around with you guys up in this beast till i learn what's really going on.

At least you admit it. Keep pounding those books and keep asking questions till it makes sense. The worst thing this country can have is a mis/disinformed voter.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Keith P

P.S. I don't need a break down on Marxism. I have the communist manifesto sitting on my bookshelf.

Do you break it out for a doorstop or for a sedative?

[vinnie97]

Of course, this propaganda campaign for the kids is completely and totally innocent and with no nefarious intentions: http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wor...tember-8-2009/

Yea, right. For shame on these douchebags trying to politicize children.

Oh, and we're well on our way to the realization of the 45 Communist goals outlined back in 1963: http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm

Without a shot fired.

Finally, known Communist and left-wing terrorist Ayers' and his "Rules for Radicals" served and has been serving as the template for Obama and his community organization tactics from almost the beginning, which are conveniently revealed by way of the alleged Acorn activities and the sneakiness planned for September 8 (children indoctrination): http://hubpages.com/hub/Saul-Alinsky...s-For-Radicals