Why do you support Communist/Socialist ideology?

[tricky]

Originally Posted by PETA

This is entirely incompatible with your previous statement.

no...it's a revision

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by BigBallinColin

I like the idea that for everyman there is a job and a job for every man. I also think that helping everyone is a good idea. I think that forcing people to do it is fucked up and all the people that think communism is a good idea are the ones that think they will be holding the clipboards instead of a plow handle.

Exactly. Especially the last part.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by tricky

so what. bush did have something to do with 9/11. it's called extreme incompetence. i wouldn't let that guy clean my toilets let alone run the fucking country.

Good thing. He's been out of office for how long now? Let me know the date when President Obama will be required to take responsibility for what HE is doing to the country. That way I can let you know that time has now passed.

Originally Posted by tricky

blah blah. i know bush isn't personally responsible and wasn't plotting with bin laden to do the whole thing...however, his response was some of the most outlandish bullshit ever to disgrace to this country. and that's what gets me riled up. his response and ineptitude is what will most likely make him one of the top 3 worst presidents....ever.

Which response was "outlandish"? putting the smackdown on Al Qaeda and the Taliban??

[tricky]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Good thing. He's been out of office for how long now? Let me know the date when President Obama will be required to take responsibility for what HE is doing to the country. That way I can let you know that time has now passed.




Which response was "outlandish"? putting the smackdown on Al Qaeda and the Taliban??

You must be fucking stupid if you don't realize I was against the Iraq War....

Going after real terrorist...good
going after daddy's nemesis all the while lying to the america...bad




and here's a cookie

http://wagist.com/images/political/socialism.jpg

[tricky]

Taken from: http://www.extremelysmart.com/humor/cowsexplain.php
Pure Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need.
Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes one of your cows and gives it to your neighbor. You're both forced to join a cooperative where you have to teach your neighbor how to take care of his cow.
Bureaucratic Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and as many eggs as its regulations say you should need.
Fascism: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them, and sells you the milk.
Pure Communism: You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.
Russian Communism: You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk.
Communism: You have two cows. The government seizes both and provides you with milk. You wait in line for you share of the milk, but it's so long that the milk is sour by the time you get it.
Dictatorship: You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.
Militarism: You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you.
Pure Democracy: You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk.
Representative Democracy: You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk.
American Democracy: The government promises to give you two cows if you vote for it. After the election, the president is impeached for speculating in cow futures. The press dubs the affair "Cowgate." The cows are set free.
Democracy, Democrat-style: You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. You feel guilty for being so successful. You vote politicians into office who tax your cows, which forces you to sell one to pay the tax. The politicians use the tax money to buy a cow for your neighbor. You feel good. Barbra Streisand sings for you.
Democracy, Republican-style: You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. You move to a better neighborhood. Indian Democracy: You have two cows. You worship them.
British Democracy: You have two cows. You feed them sheep brains and they go mad. The government gives you compensation for your diseased cows, compensation for your lost income, and a grant not to use your fields for anything else. And tells the public not to worry.
Bureaucracy: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. After that it takes both, shoots one, milks the other, and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.
Anarchy: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to kill you and take the cows.
Capitalism: You have two cows. You lay one off, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when she drops dead.
Singaporean Democracy: You have two cows. The government fines you for keeping two unlicensed farm animals in an apartment.
Hong Kong Capitalism (alias Enron Capitalism): You have two cows. You sell three of them to your publicly-listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute an debt/equity swap with associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax deduction for keeping five cows. The milk rights of six cows are transferred via a Panamanian intermediary to a Cayman Isands company secretly owned by the majority shareholder, who sells the rights to all seven cows' milk back to the listed company. The annual report says that the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. Meanwhile, you kill the two cows because the Feng Shui is bad.
Environmentalism: You have two cows. The government bans you from milking or killing them.
Totalitarianism: You have two cows. The government takes them and denies they ever existed. Milk is banned. Foreign Policy, American-Style: You have two cows. The government taxes them and uses the money to buy a cow for a poor farmer a country ruled by a dictator. The farmer has no hay to feed the cow and his religion forbids him from eating it. The cow dies. The man dies. The dictator confiscates the dead man's farm and sells it, using the money to purchase US military equipment. The President declares the program a success and announces closer ties with our new ally.
Bureaucracy, American-Style: You have two cows but you have to kill one of them because the government will only give you a license for one of them. The license requires you to sell all your milk to the government, which uses it to make cheese. The government pays lots of money to store the cheese in refrigerated warehouses. When the cheese spoils, the government distributes it to the poor. The poor get sick from the cheese, go to the emergency room, and are turned away because they have no health insurance. The President declares the program a success and reminds us that we have the finest health care system in the world.
American Corporation: You have two cows. You sell one to a subsidiary company and lease it back to yourself so you can declare it as a tax loss. Your bosses give you a huge bonus. You inject the cows with drugs and they produce four times the normal amount of milk. Your bosses give you a huge bonus. When the drugs cause one of the cows to drop dead you announce to the press that you have down-sized, reducing expenses by 50 percent. The company stock goes up and your bosses give you a huge bonus. You lay off all your workers and move your production facilities to Mexico. You get a huge bonus. You contribute some of your profit to the President's re-election campaign. The President announces tax cuts for corporations in order to stimulate the economy.
Japanese Corporation: You have two cows. You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk. You teach the cows to travel on unbelievably crowded trains. Your cows always get higher test scores than cows in the U.S. or Europe, but they drink a lot of sake.

[TaVa29]

I don't...i think the idea of a free market is a great idea...in a PERFECT WORLD! You just can't trust these big corporations with deregulation allowing them little or no limitations. The honor system just doesnt work with them. Its like a kid with a candy jar. You can't put a jar of candy in front of a child and walk away and say "now, i'm going to trust you. you take only one." You know you'll come back and that kid will have tired to hide a handful of pieces of in his/her pocket!

[BigBallinColin]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Exactly. Especially the last part.

that is why it cant work the inherent greed of people will fuck things like that up. it would have to be a complete democracy in order to work and no one wants that or can really fathom it.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by TaVa29

I don't...i think the idea of a free market is a great idea...in a PERFECT WORLD! You just can't trust these big corporations with deregulation allowing them little or no limitations. The honor system just doesnt work with them. Its like a kid with a candy jar. You can't put a jar of candy in front of a child and walk away and say "now, i'm going to trust you. you take only one." You know you'll come back and that kid will have tired to hide a handful of pieces of in his/her pocket!

Actually... it does work just fine in thje overwhelming majority of cases. Certainly great examples of abuse exist, be we are not in that perfect world. In the meantime our free market system has demonstrated itself to be pretty efficient, useful, reliable etc etc

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by TaVa29

I don't...i think the idea of a free market is a great idea...in a PERFECT WORLD! You just can't trust these big corporations with deregulation allowing them little or no limitations. The honor system just doesnt work with them. Its like a kid with a candy jar. You can't put a jar of candy in front of a child and walk away and say "now, i'm going to trust you. you take only one." You know you'll come back and that kid will have tired to hide a handful of pieces of in his/her pocket!

Unfortunately, history itself has shown that Marxism (communism or socialism) DEFINITELY does not work. However, the countless converts over time have always believed that THEY are somehow going to do it right This Time! Marxism is inherently a Utopian ideal. That absolutely NEVER works. Everyone does not end up with the exact same standard of living (well except for everyone else in the country who is not part of "THE PARTY") You see.. the "Party" and it's members (especially those in control) have almost everything and everyone else is left to work their arse off for the "Country" but see no benefit for themselves.

Originally Posted by PETA

Actually... it does work just fine in thje overwhelming majority of cases. Certainly great examples of abuse exist, be we are not in that perfect world. In the meantime our free market system has demonstrated itself to be pretty efficient, useful, reliable etc etc

I have to chalk this stuff up to the warped education we receive these days. You see... being 26hrs from a BA in U.S. History, I had a really difficult time in college. I had to argue my way through countless history courses because of the content in our books (or should I say lack of content) and the distorted agenda of so many professors. Depending on the professor, I often received low grades for quality work.. due to the fact that they did not like my facts or my premise. I very often had to take this work "up the chain" in order to receive a fair grade.

Almost every book covers in great detail every single negative aspect of the United States and Capitalism.... while at the same time severely minimizing the negative aspects of Socialism, Communism, and Fascism.

So, Tava29, I say to you... go back... waaay back re-study the "positive" impact capitalism and the United States have had not only on its own people but the world. Yes, nothing is perfect... but it is almost incomprehensible the positive quantum leap that our society has made over all previous cultures in the history of mankind.

Originally Posted by BigBallinColin

it cant work the inherent greed of people will fuck things like that up. it would have to be a complete democracy in order to work and no one wants that or can really fathom it.

No Comprende the first part...

and I think I understood what you mean but the bad thing about the word "Democracy" is that it has been continually twisted around to often mean something completely different. For instance: Lao People's Democratic Republic, there was a Democratic revolution in Venezuela, another "Democratic" revolution in Cuba, The PRC.. People's Republic of China had a "Democratic Dictatorship" run by Mao Zedong, The Socialist Republic of Vietnam had a little Democratic Revolution.. etc, etc.

[HighspdGorilla]

Obama the way he is going doesn't cross my mind as being the worse president ever. He has had scandals, terrific friends, continually brainwashes Americans about the cause of the economy. And to whoever said Ronald Reagan was the worst president ever is a fucking idiot. Check every approval rating poll:

ABC Poll - 5th
Rassmussen - 8th
Washington College - 2nd
Gallup Poll - 2nd

More Liberals, More Problems. Far left idiots. Read his rise to power Obama is scum in every fashion. Coming from the most politically corrupt state in the country.

[J. Fees]

Originally Posted by HighspdGorilla

Obama the way he is going doesn't cross my mind as being the worse president ever. He has had scandals, terrific friends, continually brainwashes Americans about the cause of the economy. And to whoever said Ronald Reagan was the worst president ever is a fucking idiot. Check every approval rating poll:

ABC Poll - 5th
Rassmussen - 8th
Washington College - 2nd
Gallup Poll - 2nd

More Liberals, More Problems. Far left idiots. Read his rise to power Obama is scum in every fashion. Coming from the most politically corrupt state in the country.

ill admit you are a really entertaining poster.

[Keith P]

Originally Posted by J. Fees

ill admit you are a really entertaining poster.

Dudes hilarious. There's no way you can be serious with shit like "If you want equality, move to china".

[HighspdGorilla]

I'm glad I could entertain you Fee's :-D. I know I am a pain in the fucking ass when it comes to politics. And i'm sorry my unproper english and sentence fragments may invalidate my viewpoint but I am informed to say the least and I'm just telling you what scares the shit out of me.

[NekstOne]

lol at highspeeddouchebag

REAGAN IS MY HERO! GO LIVe IN CHINA!


omg this kid is something else ahahhaahhah




...catches breath....


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[flor de vida]

Originally Posted by HighspdGorilla

I'm glad I could entertain you Fee's :-D. I know I am a pain in the fucking ass when it comes to politics. And i'm sorry my unproper english and sentence fragments may invalidate my viewpoint but I am informed to say the least and I'm just telling you what scares the shit out of me.

you keep saying that word. i do not think it means, whatchoo think it means.

(it is a movie reference. just in case you were wondering )