Immigration

[zerojunkie]

The topic's been broached a couple times on here but hasn't had it's own thread in a while. I'd like to know if those of you who are for enforcing the current laws had ancestors who immigrated here, and if they had to deal with the quota system that's been in place since 1924?

[PETA]

I have family members that are part of the Mayflower Society and I have others that came over as recently as the mid 1800s so none had to deal with post 1924 legislation. Why would it matter if they did?

[zerojunkie]

Originally Posted by PETA

I have family members that are part of the Mayflower Society

Then gtfo of my thread.

Originally Posted by PETA

Why would it matter if they did?

The first form of the quota system we operate under now was implemented.

[PETA]

except that wasn't the first legal restriction on immigration...

naturalization act of the 179X?

asian exclusion act in the 1880s

emergency quota act 1921

etc

and... getting the fuck out

[Hey Bubu]

my ancestors were space dust, hydrogen and a ginormous star explosion. So no, we've been here all along.

Silly invisible excretions on a map.

[tricky]

I can trace my ancestors back to before the revolutionary war....so the rest of you fucktards can suck my dick and take your ass back to your mother country

ps.

when glen beck says "i want my country back" i cant help but think of the indians...

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

my ancestors were space dust, hydrogen and a ginormous star explosion. So no, we've been here all along.

Silly invisible excretions on a map.

Silly? Borders on maps exist for serious reasons. Wars are fought over those silly lines Nando.

Try crossing one of them without permission and see how silly they are.

[Hey Bubu]

Originally Posted by PETA

Silly? Borders on maps exist for serious reasons. Wars are fought over those silly lines Nando.

Try crossing one of them without permission and see how silly they are.

they are silly man, from a certain POV

You should know by now that you are the literal one and I am the relativistic one here

as far as the wars, I subscribe to Bucky Fullers non-zero sum game.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

they are silly man, from a certain POV

lol - yeah Nando - from a detached utopian POV

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

You should know by now that you are the literal one and I am the relativistic one here

haha - so spot on

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

as far as the wars, I subscribe to Bucky Fullers non-zero sum game.

pragmatism would seem often to compel that pov when the actors are states

[Hey Bubu]

Originally Posted by PETA

lol - yeah Nando - from a detached utopian POV

well of course, these are ideals. The reality of situations are non-simultaneously comprehended.

Originally Posted by PETA

pragmatism would seem often to compel that pov when the actors are states

Nothing but a giant game, a musical game if you will.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

well of course, these are ideals. The reality of situations are non-simultaneously comprehended.

See, thing is Nando, you're only living in this here reality... right now.

Interesting to contemplate but useless in application

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

Nothing but a giant game, a musical game if you will.

yeah, it can certainly be looked at as such... a serious of problems whose solutions lead to changes and new problems

[Hey Bubu]

Originally Posted by PETA

See, thing is Nando, you're only living in this here reality... right now.

Interesting to contemplate but useless in application

I beg to differ, plausible solutions to real world problems maybe gathered by a process of Apophenia. For example a good set of ideas that Fuller was talking about in the 50's and 60's are now being "re-discovered" to solve current global issues.

Let us also not forget that reality is made of what we interact with (the physical world) and what is inside our heads. After all, just about everything we, as humans, have created comes from imagination/necessity or just sheer "AH HAH" moments.

Originally Posted by PETA

yeah, it can certainly be looked at as such... a serious of problems whose solutions lead to changes and new problems

The menu is not the meal.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

I beg to differ, plausible solutions to real world problems maybe gathered by a process of Apophenia. For example a good set of ideas that Fuller was talking about in the 50's and 60's are now being "re-discovered" to solve current global issues.

Let us also not forget that reality is made of what we interact with (the physical world) and what is inside our heads. After all, just about everything we, as humans, have created comes from imagination/necessity or just sheer "AH HAH" moments.

Global issues are driven by demand for resources and a society's ability to secure them with regard to their interaction to others doing the same. The rest are merely methods of accomplishing that basic goal and factors necessary to calculate the procvess.

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

The menu is not the meal.

right right and the map is not the territory... however, when you're stuck miles deep into some godawful swamp its easy to get pissed at the guy who forgot the map

[Hey Bubu]

Well shit no one ever said finding global; hell even local solutions, was going to be simple. Things were "easier" when the world was made up of a trip from the cave to the watering hole and back again. It is also a TON easier to be an idealist once the basics are covered, food, shelter etc, etc, etc..

to go back to the thread, immigration; WHAT A CLUSTERFUCK!!!!

To that extend I don't think we'll go anywhere if one keeps with an aristotelean logic of either/or.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

Well shit no one ever said finding global; hell even local solutions, was going to be simple. Things were "easier" when the world was made up of a trip from the cave to the watering hole and back again. It is also a TON easier to be an idealist once the basics are covered, food, shelter etc, etc, etc..

Wasn't claiming it was easy... just that the basics can be deconstructed to simple principles.

Being told you have brain cancer and it needs to come out is simple... doing it can be hard

Originally Posted by Hey Bubu

to go back to the thread, immigration; WHAT A CLUSTERFUCK!!!!

To that extend I don't think we'll go anywhere if one keeps with an aristotelean logic of either/or.

aristotilean contemplates those things A B AB and BA or neither... no necessarily zero sum