Afghanistan's future in peril

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by zerojunkie

Cause the Sudan kicked them out.



Because we kicked them out.

OBL has a nasty habit of getting kicked the fuck out of any country he decides to set up shop in.



It doesn't matter, like I said, I didn't read the rest of the thread. We absolutely should be in Afghanistan, but that doesn't mean there isn't a better way to wage war there. I don't think a surge like you saw in Iraq will work very well in Afghanistan. I think the strategy that focused on special forces integrating into day-to-day life was the right way to go. Just because we have a bad month and it looks bad in the papers doesn't mean it time to go drastically changing the strategy there.

Yes, I was referring to Fees assertions that we've been defeated and we really shouldn't be there in the first place.

-And we certainly agree that an Iraq-Style surge would not work in Afghanistan. We may need some more troops, but nothing like Iraq. The only thing that would do is put us in exactly the same position that the Russians put themselves in. With huge forces, you would have to greatly increase the supply/logistics trains - therefore opening yourself up to be slaughtered by an enemy who almost always has the terrain to his advantage.

-Unfortunately, the successful SF integration was greatly scaled back in order to move assets over to Iraq. They should be moved back there (if they haven't already).

-Finally, we need to kick NATO out of there. The place has gone to hell since they took over several provinces. The majority of the troops included in the NATO ISAF are fully capable, but their ROE (Rules of Engagement) are so restrictive and they have taken such a defensive position over the past 2yrs that they have literally 'allowed' the enemy to fully re-fit, replenish, and re-arm themselves. It's a disgrace.

[FarangBa]

**NEWS ALERT**

Gen. McChrystal Requests 40,000 more troops (more infantry, less clerks) and he gets 13,000 support troops. WTF?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091013...20091013080026

[tricky]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

**NEWS ALERT**

Gen. McChrystal Requests 40,000 more troops (more infantry, less clerks) and he gets 13,000 support troops. WTF?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091013...20091013080026

13k too many

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by tricky

13k too many

Sooo... with so much knowledge of military history, techniques, tactics & procedures as well as current counter-insurgency measures... your suggestion would be what, old wise one?

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by tricky

13k too many

Totally awesome...you'd rather let Taliban and Al-Qaeda insurgents attack US servicemen who must simultaneously wait for these attacks due to excessively rigid Rules of Engagement and insufficient troop numbers. Why not just go the next step and call on Obama to pull everybody out and leave the place in a power vacuum? Half-assing it doesn't win wars.

[tricky]

Fuck yeah! I want the taliban to overrun this country. I want us to be one nation under Islam. I'm gonna go pray to Osama right now and then send him some money via pay pal.

I disagree with your position but feel free to call me a pacifist, defeatist, etc....blah blah blah

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Sooo... with so much knowledge of military history, techniques, tactics & procedures as well as current counter-insurgency measures... your suggestion would be what, old wise one?

What's your answer? endless war? We've been there 8 years...

[vinnie97]

Pacifism is an unattainable ideal, a utopia that exists only in your mind.

[tricky]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Pacifism is an unattainable ideal, a utopia that exists only in your mind.

It's a better goal than endless war.

[vinnie97]

Sure but there's no valid exit strategy.

[tricky]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Sure but there's no valid exit strategy.

increase intelligence, special ops teams, predator drones, and stabilize Pakistan by not ensuring the spread of al queada there even more.

[vinnie97]

And don't shackle the current troops with prohibitive Rules of Engagement that make defense treacherous at best.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by tricky

What's your answer? endless war? We've been there 8 years...

Originally Posted by tricky

It's a better goal than endless war.

Tricky... I know you are a communist and all...

and I typically don't get into a person's intelligence
(just bad guidance, illogical thinking and ignorance but not their intellect)...

But, I have to ask you... do you have the capacity to comprehend what's going on with the war we are in??
Osama bin Laden says Obama is 'powerless' to stop the war in Afghanistan

Bin Laden wants long war against infidels

Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has called for a long war against "infidels and their agents" and warned Muslims that alliances with Christians and Jews would turn them into apostates.

Bin Laden urges jihad against new Somali government

Bin Laden Calls For 'Long War With Infidels'


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...aden-long-haul
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006...jihad_spee.php
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...042300447.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...interview.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4012839.stm
http://www.heritage.org/press/commentary/ed090803a.cfm
http://www.public-action.com/911/oblintrv.html
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&sect...d=4&m=6&y=2009
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&sect...=23&m=9&y=2009
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&sect...=22&m=9&y=2009
http://www.apakistannews.com/osama-b...er-gaza-100661
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...october332.xml

As you can see, the ENTIRE WORLD disagrees with you. You are the one that does not know what they are talking about.

Again, and again and again and again... I always reveal how you don't know what the Eff you are talking about half the time. You like to portray yourself as some sort of scholar on all things. However, the reality is that you don't even have a clue half the time. Besides you almost NEVER give sources. When you do, you just give some BS that you found on some retards 'unofficial' blog. You continue to deny every single FACT that is given as a rebuttal to any of your arguments (and the majority of the time those FACTS are also presented with accurate and commonly accepted SOURCES).

Whenever someone poses even the slightest thread of reality, fact, figure or if they have a relevant question that they would like answered. You never EVER answer a question, you criticize and accuse, you attack and demean, you answer questions with questions... You always, always... avoid answering and you always attempt to change the discussion.

Originally Posted by tricky

increase intelligence, special ops teams, predator drones, and stabilize Pakistan by not ensuring the spread of al queada there even more.

First off, the English Spelling is Al Qaeda (In your own words, do some fucking research!)

You do realize that you both; advocate pulling out of Afghanistan AND increasing Intel & Special Operations Forces? You make no sense. As usual you are just parroting the Progressive Talking Point of the day. [BTW, Drones and Special Ops?? -- You realize that was the doofus talking point from the Vice President more than a week ago right? You are behind!]

You yap yap yap all of the time but very seldom do you even have a shred of knowledge about the topic you are discussing.

Hopefully, you will soon realize that you can sit around 20hrs a day studying stuff... but If all you are reading are Radical Left-Wing Blogs, super left-wing news organizations, etc.. you are not learning ANYTHING. Surely, you realize this. If all I did was read Right Wing Blogs all day.. It would be the same for me. That's why I DON'T.

When I learn ANYTHING (no matter where it comes from), I immediately start to research the topic. I find out which other news organizations are reporting the same topic (liberal, conservative, international). Then often comes Lexus Nexus... and even more importantly, I read books. Lots and lots of them. You should try it some time! You don't get full comprehension of a subject by you B.S. Michael Moore movies, blogs, etc.

On this particular topic (since you seem to think that I don't do any 'fucking research').. I've already read the Quran. I already know about Abdullah Azam, I am very familiar with Sayyid Qutb vs. Nasser and Qutb's Egyptian brotherhood (including Dr. Zawahiri formerly of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad) not to mention all of their ties to the assasination of Anwar Sadat. I'm well aware of wahhabism, jihadi salafists, sufi, shia, sunni. What role the Saudis have had in the spread of their radical form of Islam, the Abu Sayyef, the Southern Thai separatists, etc. etc. ################################################## ########
##################[Quick Edit: It's None of your Business]############## ################################################## ## I have been living and breathing this stuff for 8 years and 43 days... and 2yrs and 7 months of that have been spent specifically training for and fighting these psycho mujahideen and other jihadists face to face. I've forgotten more about these dirtbags than you will ever know!

So, feel free to check your self before you start telling people to do some fucking research. If everyone did the type of idiot savant research as you, our country would have already lost the war and we would be either dead or bowing to Allah. Rational people (unlike you), know when to shut their trap when presented with FACT.

TIME AND TIME AGAIN YOU PROVE YOURSELF TO BE THE 'VILLAGE IDIOT'. CONTINUALLY TELLING EVERYONE TO DO SOME RESEARCH.. IT'S ABSOLUTELY ABSURD! You are the one who needs to open a fucking book youngster.
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YOU need to start utilizing your newfound KOLLEDGE SKILLZ and do some RESEARCH on your own. Until then, just stay in your warped little blogosphere..

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SORRY DUDE, BUT YOU GOTTA GO ON 'IGNORE' --

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

And don't shackle the current troops with prohibitive Rules of Engagement that make defense treacherous at best.

Word,

a Progressive Society.. and Politically Correct Environment will not win this war (including George W. Bush). Nothing will win this war but the total destruction of militant jihadist Islam through the help of the rest of the 'normal' muslims who do not believe in the world domination view of radical sunnis nor khomeini (Hidden Mahdi) shias.

[tricky]

lol at communist

[PETA]

Originally Posted by tricky

It's a better goal than endless war.

Well of course it is. That's the goal of war... to end the conflict in victory (usually).

War is politics by other means. (Clausewitz)

Politics is a method of asserting one's will over another's will. (if there is agreement there is no need for politics)

Asserting one's will over another's is part of human nature. (people - even reasonable people - will forever disagree)

How you gonna change that?

Originally Posted by tricky

increase intelligence, special ops teams, predator drones, and stabilize Pakistan by not ensuring the spread of al queada there even more.

the current administration has chastened our intelligence community - they are terrified of being revealed in trials, being tried for crimes etc etc... Holder is doing more harm than he knows. Further, foreign intelligence communities are reluctant to share info that they think may end up being revealed.

special ops teams and predator dromes require good intelligence - see above

Stabilize Pakistan? How? By imposing American ideals upon them or by propping up a dictator?