Republican Rep. Joe Wilson keeps it classy during the Obama speech

[Fibonacheech]

Originally Posted by tricky

Are you insinuating things are getting done now?

Not playing either side. Just saying we dont need all out brawls... but I would like to see a little more heat in the kitchen personally.

[Deff Gordon]

that was neither the time or the place. period.

Joe coulda had his stand any time after the speech he wanted.

[Keith P]

Originally Posted by david austin

Right.

And much of our feelings on this issue I feel stem from us finding a complete lack of respect for what happened. I do feel it was poor judgement because that was Obamas floor to speak to the nation.

However... This does bring up a good point of what I believe (like I said in my above post) is a lack of ability to 'call out' the president in a direct manner.

He may be our president and deserve the ultimate respect... but that doesnt make him an omnipotent figure who cant be called upon. Maybe that has more to do with catching him off guard? Without a teleprompter or a 'set in stone' itinerary can he not play off the cuff?

iono. The PM is essentially addressing England every time he speaks at the house. I'm really not a fan of the way the senate conducts itself.

[tricky]

Originally Posted by david austin

Not playing either side. Just saying we dont need all out brawls... but I would like to see a little more heat in the kitchen personally.

I think we've been seeing quite a bit of heat with some of the press releases and events related to health care reform. Maybe congressmen should start showing up to events with guns? I mean, they're really not holding back anything with some of the shit they say on fox news or msnbc. This was neither the time or the place.

[jaesun]

Eh... I lol'd when I heard it.

I was waiting for the Dems to stand up and chant "Yes we can! Yes we can!" and then the ghost of Kenedy to come down from the ceiling driving a car full of water with a bottle of scotch in one hand and and a hooker in the other asking everyone to pass the damn thing so he can rest in peace.

But it never happened.

[johnny861]

Originally Posted by david austin

Just saying we dont need all out brawls...

I dunno, the Taiwanese parliament is fucking entertaining as hell

[2dj's1cup]

i wish another senator would have yelled "ahh snap!"

[ManWithNoName]

This guy's shout was very unnecesary. Anybody with half a brain knows that when someone says something is going to cost $900 billion and it won't raise the deficit is lying out the ass. Cmon people stop falling for those Jedi mind tricks.

[DJ Gary-O]

Originally Posted by Deff Gordon

that was neither the time or the place. period.

Joe coulda had his stand any time after the speech he wanted.

And he did have his time, even before the speech - he was a talking head on the boob toob at least twice from what I saw.

He's trash.

[ManWithNoName]

But I must say watching Nancy "scaryEyes" Pelosi's reaction was highly entertaining. Lmao

[DJ Gary-O]

Originally Posted by ManWithNoName

But I must say watching Nancy "scaryEyes" Pelosi's reaction was highly entertaining. Lmao

Yeah - that was funny - she's a mess.

Still, Joe Wilson is a fucking chump...

[ManWithNoName]

Oh yeah I bet none of you caught the fact that all of a sudden 10 million "Americans" were now insured. We now have 36 million uninsured instead of 47 million just a few days ago. Fucking amazing.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Deff Gordon

that was neither the time or the place. period.

Joe coulda had his stand any time after the speech he wanted.

didn't see any of it but inclined to agree in spades... dignity is dignity and respect is respect. We owe that to each other especially under circumstances like tonight. The market place of ideas is won by permitting the best ideas to trump lesser ideas.... not through fillibuster or heckling.

[tricky]

Eyes on the Ball: Health Coverage Reform, Not Wilson

by Meteor Blades

Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 10:07:19 PM PDT

As nearly everyone in the political universe has noted by now, President Barack Obama got disrespected Wednesday night. If Congress were Parliament and the President were Prime Minister, the guy who called him a liar wouldn't really have been out of line, would scarcely have been noticed. Heckling of each other from the back benches is more of a time-honored practice among our elected English brethren. They do tend to be somewhat more erudite about it.
So why get hot and bothered by the jackassery of a single Congressman from the Party of No? I think it has to do with the truckloads of lies and despicable slurs dropped on Obama in the past few months, many of them overtly racist. Our fury at Rep. Addison "Joe" Wilson's blurted "You lie!" is not just a response to him, but to the never-ending feces-throwing by the GOP and a right-wing media engaged in a full-court smear fest of our first African American President. How many of the death threats the President has received that can be chalked up to this spray of attacks is anybody's guess. It's not all about racism, of course. In the bizarre world of right-wing delusion, scarcely any Democrat in the White House can escape charges of "socialism," no matter what his views.
But whether it's racist tropes or moronic red-baiting, the right-wing media and way too many supposedly honorable Republicans have done nothing to tone down this rancid display. Plus the fact that if a Democratic Representative had yelled "You lie!" during a Bush speech, she'd still be doing time in a secret prison. So, the looks and words directed at Representative Wilson surely are somewhat based on this outrageous spectacle we've witnessed for months, not just his screech.
Happily, Wilson has already gotten what we can hope is the first round of a well-deserved comeuppance. He got dagger stares from Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden and a lot of boos from that part of the media not (yet) beholden to Rupert Murdoch. Best of all a bunch of money has been raised for his opponent in the next election. That two-word outburst could be the most expensive Wilson ever makes in his life. Welcome to the viral smackdown, Congressman.
But, as diarist Frank wisely says, let's not let this screamer steal the headlines for the next few days. Because that was not what Wednesday night was about; it's not what all the wrangling has been about for the past several months. As President Obama pointed out, doing something about our broken health care system is not an issue that just appeared on the scene. Efforts have been made for decades. But because of past obstructionism, uncounted numbers of American have died, gone bankrupt, lived misery-filled lives, all because they were denied medical treatment based solely on their inability to pay for it.
We shouldn't allow one of the latest cohort of obstructionists to divert us from the task at hand. As Frank put it:

Now is not the time to be distracted again. Now is the time to organize, and support health care reform. I don't know if we get all that we want. Quite possibly not. But if we let people like Wilson steal our thunder again, we will most certainly not get what we want.
Yes, take action against Wilson, by supporting his opponent. But tonight, get your anger at him out of your system. Then, take Obama's energy in his speech and make it your own. Show up at rallies that are being planned. Keep calling Congress.
Don't let some jerk derail you.

We'll have plenty of time to derail that jerk over the next 14 months.
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[Update]: As of 11:15 p.m. PDT, ActBlue has tallied $72,178 for Rob Miller, Wilson's foe in the next election. Kossacks for Democrat Rob Miller have raised $38,474 of that total.

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[tricky]

In a Westminster system, unparliamentary language is words or phrases that are deemed to be inappropriate for use in the House whilst it is in session. This includes, but is not limited to the suggestion of dishonesty or profanity. The most prohibited case is any suggestion that another member is dishonourable. So, for example, suggesting that another member is lying is forbidden.[1]

United Kingdom

In House of Commons of the United Kingdom, the following words have been deemed unparliamentary over time: blackguard, coward, git, guttersnipe, hooligan, ignoramus, liar, rat, swine, stoolpigeon, and traitor.[6] Apparently, the word shit is not unparliamentary language when used as a noun to refer to faeces[7] Furthermore, 'sod', 'slimy', 'wart', accusations of 'crooked deals' or insinuation of the use of banned substances by a member are also considered unparliamentary language (all attributable to Dennis Skinner).