So Tell Me, How Will The Gov't Fix IT?

[FarangBa]

Sooooo, now that we are finished bashing me... I still haven't heard a reason 'why' you believe the government can run health care better?

Anyone?

[Damnsammit]

Just shut the fuck up and go to the VA, dude.

[Deff Gordon]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Sooooo, now that we are finished bashing me... I still haven't heard a reason 'why' you believe the government can run health care better?

Anyone?

i've given plenty of text on the issue and not one of you have said anything (other than PETA) and his reservations are completely different than yours. he at least understands the mechanics behind what they are needing to do.

go read what's already been written and quit flailing your arms around... it makes sense. total sense.

it gets real old talking economics when the other person is glen becking me back.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by Damnsammit

Just shut the fuck up and go to the VA, dude.

HaHaHa... That Ain't Right!


No seriously, that's some effed up stuff to say to someone.

Originally Posted by Deff Gordon

glen becking me back.

Cool, I like that term "Glen Becking Me Back". I don't know what it means, but I like it.

I'll try and search for your 'profound' ideas a little later. So far, I haven't seen much detail about anything other than.. because we need to, because it's the right thing to do, the current system is messed up.. etc., etc.

[Damnsammit]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

HaHaHa... That Ain't Right!

No seriously, that's some effed up stuff to say to someone.

hahahah

Being a military vet myself, I can completely understand how it is hard to have faith in anything that involves government and health care (Most VA's are horrible, horrible facilities).

The issue is a bit too complex for my pea-brained mind to comprehend, so I am going to focus the energy on my classes instead. I'll be surprised if they actually pass something.

[matt]

i have written a shit ton on it too. if you would take your head out of your own ass and read what is written then maybe you would know what the fuck we have already wasted our time writing for you not to read.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by matt

i have written a shit ton on it too. if you would take your head out of your own ass and read what is written then maybe you would know what the fuck we have already wasted our time writing for you not to read.

Bro, if you posted something in reply to me... I'm sure I read it. So, calm the fuck down a little.

I don't see anything you've posted about health care specifically except IT reform.

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Did I miss Something?

This is about all I see:

the solution starts with mandating technology in all practices. you would be surprised how manual almost all of the clinics i visit are. the airline industry is light years ahead and we are talking about saving lives and running efficiently to save money.

then you move to R&D costs and take a look at 1st, 2nd, and 3rd stage trials and their necessity. alleviating some steps to fast track all drugs will help bring down the overall price in getting drugs to market.

then regarding distribution you make price parity in the marketplace a necessity so the drug's can be reimbursed at whatever model asp +6%, whatever, so treatments are not underwater.

you then take on the insurance companies and make them work more openly with physicians and demand pay for performance measures and incentivise the physicians to do so. on top of that you make each physician and their past treatment history visible by the public so you can choose your physician wisely and hopefully affect the level of care.

lastly, you set up indigent care centers funded by the govt through taxation regionally to take the under/un-insured so they have an option for health care. These should be clinics and hospitals and all care should be given in the correct space. IE-you don't go to the hospital for a shot, etc.

then you let the insured and those who want the best coverage continue to go to the existing clinics and hospitals like they do today.

viola.

Matt in '08

[johnny861]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Sooooo, now that we are finished bashing me... I still haven't heard a reason 'why' you believe the government can run health care better?

Anyone?

Personally, I don't think it would be any better, but what I want for the interim is a public insurance option available for those people that cannot afford or even qualify for health insurance because of a prexisting condition.

Or better yet, some reform that allows people fair access to shop around for private insurance and to not get denied care for menial reasons.

Having the Federal government subsidize uninsured emergency room visits, where people are just barely patched up, is not cutting it.

These people need preventative health care.

[Deff Gordon]

dude... it's got electrolytes

[PETA]

Originally Posted by J. Fees

its a pretty known fact that a lot of the meat packing is substandard even in the us. and i know there are us food inspectors. thats not going to factor into whether i think health care reform is going to work or not.

And yet fewer people today then ever before die from food borne diseases.

It ain't perfect but considering the scale of the industry it isn't as bad as it could be. Certainly not an argument that we shouldn't strive to do better but we should also recognize the substantial success we have.

Originally Posted by johnny861

what I want for the interim is a public insurance option available for those people that cannot afford or even qualify for health insurance because of a prexisting condition.

If you could buy collision insurance after you got into an accident would you buy it before? And so we see why pre-existing exclusions exist. Eliminating them is eliminating a fundamental principle upon which insurance companies guage risk. It sucks but that's life. That (eliminating pre-existing preclusion) is specifically not about health insurance but gov't provided healthcare. We cannot eliminate tragedy throuygh legislation.

Originally Posted by johnny861

Or better yet, some reform that allows people fair access to shop around for private insurance and to not get denied care for menial reasons.

Absolutely. Allow greater freedom of competition among private carriers across state lines. Provide tax deductions for amounts spent on premiums, co-pays, deductibles and refuse to regard employer provided health insurance as taxable compensation.

Open up provider competition. Provide greater transparency of costs so patients know what they're getting and exactly what it'll cost. Permit them to shop around for the best deal. Allow greater competition through clinics... staff them w/PAs under the supervision of DRs to provide for day to day knee scrapes and flu shots.

Decouple insurance from employment so people are freeer to move without fear of losing coverage through extending COBRA, HSAs and expand flex spending.

Move it to a market based system rather than a gov't entitlement system.... we've got plenty of examples of how well those work.

Originally Posted by johnny861

Having the Federal government subsidize uninsured emergency room visits, where people are just barely patched up, is not cutting it.

Better than nothing but certainly requires fixing.

[Keith P]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Dude, Calm down.

Looked like a pretty calm rebuttal to me in comparison to your psycho babble.

[Keith P]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Bro

but seriously, bro.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by Keith P

Looked like a pretty calm rebuttal to me in comparison to your psycho babble.

which part?

Originally Posted by matt

i have written a shit ton on it too. if you would take your head out of your own ass and read what is written then maybe you would know what the fuck we have already wasted our time writing for you not to read.

And why is it psycho babble? because you don't agree? Feel free to use the quote function.. I don't see any psycho babble. I research facts, then present them here trying to figure out why some of you guys think the government can take over an industry that is 1/6 of our entire GDP and NOT fuck it up worse than it already is.

In which way is that psycho babble?

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by Keith P

but seriously, bro.

You're not really that big of a douche are you? Surely, you are just being a smartass.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by Deff Gordon

dude... it's got electrolytes

Huh? no comprende.. that one went over my head.

Originally Posted by johnny861

(my numbering) [1]Personally, I don't think it would be any better, but what I want for the interim is a public insurance option available for those people that cannot afford or even qualify for health insurance because of a prexisting condition.

[2]Or better yet, some reform that allows people fair access to shop around for private insurance and to not get denied care for menial reasons.

[3]Having the Federal government subsidize uninsured emergency room visits, where people are just barely patched up, is not cutting it.

[4]These people need preventative health care.

I don't disagree with most of your ideas.

(1) I think the President would garner a heck of a lot more support if he narrowed his plan down to those who cannot afford any type of health care [of course this is currently available quite cheap at the county level] AND include those who are 'denied'. However, the number actually 'denied' is quite low.. I would agree that some pre-existing conditions make the plans too expensive.

(2) One of the big problems with private insurance is the fact that you you actually do not have very many options to shop around (from state to state). Some states require 'basic' services to include a whole host of things like acupuncture, etc. Many services that the majority of people will not use... thus increasing the price. If you could shop for a plan somewhere else that didn't include stuff you don't need.. you could get it for a lot cheaper.

(3) I'm not sure what your suggestion was on this. However, it is called an Emergency Room. There really shouldn't be anyone going there unless it is an emergency. They should not be doing preventative care. Although it is very expensive for the ER to treat gunshot wounds and vehicular accidents to people without insurance... Most of the money goes to the thousands and thousands of other patients they see. If you pay cash (like I have before) to go to a regular dr's office for a viral infection & meds.. It's about $125-$175.. It's quite a bit more at a hospital ER.

(4) Everyone needs preventative health care if they can get it. I believe that the gov't should have ways in place to pay the hospital (if you are unable to pay) after they save your life... But I do not believe that the gov't should pay for preventative care. This should be an individual burden.