G20 protest vs. Tea Party Protest

[tricky]

Originally Posted by jaesun

But who where the ones busting out windows, throwing rocks at cops, and rolling dumpsters down hills? Who came prepared with pads, gas masks, and helmets on... meaning they where there with the full intention of tussling with cops.

anarchists......

Groggy but not subdued, anarchists hail protest success with little damage
Saturday, September 26, 2009
By Sadie Gurman, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
They weren't stockpiling human waste to throw at police.
They didn't set cars ablaze or chain themselves together in "sleeping dragons" with PVC pipe.
The anarchists who police and media had warned for months could wreak havoc on the city during the G-20 summit didn't exactly fulfill that expectation. Instead, they smashed some windows and turned over a few Dumpsters, flooded the streets of Lawrenceville and staged sporadic uprisings for hours elsewhere, met by a large contingent of riot police at almost every turn.
Some were sprayed with OC gas, others pelted with rubber bullets. Still others were arrested in the demonstrations, which they had spent their summers planning.
Then yesterday, groggy but not subdued, the contingent joined thousands of other protesters in a city-sanctioned march that was largely uneventful, beyond some chanting laced with swear words and a little taunting of police. Some had shed their all-black attire for shorts and T-shirts.
So, were the protests everything the anarchists had envisioned during meetings and trainings?
"We tried to do what we wanted to do, and we wanted to take to the streets in a show of resistance against the G-20," one member, Alex Bradley, said. "In that respect, I think it was a success."
As the summit and the protests it spawned wound to a close yesterday, members of one of the more visible -- and vilified -- anarchist groups, the Pittsburgh G-20 Resistance Project, reflected on their experiences.
"Even though people had to fight to save themselves from the riot police, people continued to remobilize so many times, we didn't let the police keep us down," said Amanda Zeiders, who tried to snap as many photos as she could during Thursday's actions. "It was great for the movement."
There were scary moments, she said, when she was separated from friends, and painful moments of dehydration. "It was intense," she said. "It was surely a great day."
The group issued a statement during Thursday's unrest declaring the "people's uprising" a success and proof of "people's willingness to resist global capitalism despite the combined forces of state repression."
Mr. Bradley described Thursday's march out of Arsenal Park in Lawrenceville as "people power," whereas yesterday's permitted event was "an appeal to people in power," each with its own merit.
The group said its arrest count -- 17 in four hours, by members' estimates -- was relatively low, and no one was badly hurt.
Mr. Bradley said the downing of Dumpsters might have been protesters' attempts to shield themselves from police, who threw tear gas and blared what he called "a sonic weapon," the long-range acoustic device.
"The Dumpsters people pushed down the road ran into an armored personnel carrier," he said. "I really hope the armored personnel carrier was all right."
The group blamed the mayhem, which left windows broken, on police "overreaction."
The Pittsburgh G-20 Resistance Project had been holding public meetings since early June, when it launched a Web site and issued a call to action.
"We are asking you to come to Pittsburgh with every ounce of anger and rage that you feel when your local projects refuse to manifest into something larger, fiercer, or broader, or when that anger itself forces you into isolation or alienation," the Web site said.
The anarchists quickly captured the attention of reporters and police, who, group members believe, were always keeping an eye on them.
As the summit approached, the group turned a Greenfield storefront into a "convergence space" for gatherings. Dozens of police officers in vans and a hazardous materials truck watched the headquarters from a nearby parking lot on Wednesday night, during a meeting to coordinate the next day's events. They left -- and returned again -- without incident.
"It's a psychological attack," the group's spokesman Noah Williams said at the time. "They want people to feel threatened constantly."
The anarchists also fought against what they consider media "scare stories" that claimed anarchists were squatting in vacant buildings, collecting human waste to throw during protests.
Fear later brewed over a list, posted to the Pittsburgh G-20 Resistance Project's Web site, of locations, including Starbucks coffee shops, police stations and banks, and other places with "links to globalism" where possible protests could take place.
Some stores boarded their windows, but there were few, if any, reports of trouble at sites on the list.
Throughout it all, anarchists tried to explain their views as simply as they could to skeptical inquirers. They left fliers at 4,500 homes and went on radio talk shows.
Patrick Young, of the anarchist Pittsburgh Organizing Group, led theoretical and tactical training workshops for demonstrators, including one on "lockboxing" with PVC pipe and chains.
He said the summit protests were an extension of the work anarchists try to do daily.
But now, he said, a break is in store.
"As soon as everyone gets out of jail, I am going to take a long, long, long nap," he said. "And probably have a couple beers."
Sadie Gurman can be reached at sgurman@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1878.


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Security was tight around a small group of people waving anarchist flags. Anarchists and others have promised violence before the G20 meeting Thursday, and the British capital is bracing for a massive police operation as representatives of the world's 20 leading economies — including U.S. President Barack Obama — fly in for a summit on the financial crisishttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2.gif.

Some G20 protestors have adopted slogans such as "Hang a Banker" and "Storm the Banks." More protests are planned Wednesday and Thursday, while left-leaning teach-ins, lectures, and other demonstrations are scheduled throughout the week.

I see nothing wrong with that...

[tricky]

And just so you can see that this differs from the other "interchangeable" labels the right has been throwing around lately at everything that differs from their viewpoint (fascism, socialism, nazism, communism...)

Anarchism is a political philosophy encompassing theories and attitudes which consider the state, as compulsory government, to be unnecessary, harmful, and/or undesirable, and favors the absence of the state (anarchy).[1][2][3][4][5] Specific anarchists may have additional criteria for what constitutes anarchism, and they often disagree with each other on what these criteria are. According to The Oxford Companion to Philosophy, "there is no single defining position that all anarchists hold, and those considered anarchists at best share a certain family resemblance."[6]
There are many types and traditions of anarchism, not all of which are mutually exclusive.[7] Different versions of anarchism have been categorized as socialist anarchism and individualist anarchism or similar dual classifications.[8][9][10] Anarchism is often considered to be a radical left-wing ideology,[11][12][13] and much of anarchist economics and anarchist legal philosophy reflect anti-statist interpretations of communism, collectivism, syndicalism or participatory economics; however, anarchism has always included an economic and legal individualist strain,[14] with that strain supporting an anarchist free-market economy and private property (like old anarcho-individualism and voluntaryism, or today's anarcho-capitalism, agorism and others).[15][16][17]
Others, such as panarchists and anarchists without adjectives, neither advocate nor object to any particular form of organization as long as it is not compulsory. Some anarchist schools of thought differ fundamentally, supporting anything from extreme individualism to complete collectivism.[5] The central tendency of anarchism as a social movement have been represented by communist anarchism, with anarcho-individualism being primarily a philosophical/literary phenomenon.[18] Some anarchists fundamentally oppose all forms of aggression, supporting self-defense or non-violence, while others have supported the use of some coercive measures, including violent revolution and terrorism, on the path to anarchy.[19]
The term anarchism derives from the Greek ἀναρχος, anarchos, meaning "without rulers",[20][21] from the prefix ἀν- (an-, "without") + ἄρχή (archê, "sovereignty, realm, magistracy")[22] + -ισμός (-ismos, from a stem -ιζειν, -izein). There is some ambiguity with the use of the terms "libertarianism" and "libertarian" in writings about anarchism. Since the 1890s from France,[23] the term "libertarianism" has often been used as a synonym for anarchism and was used almost exclusively in this sense until the 1950s in the United States;[24] its use as a synonym is still common outside the U.S.[25][26][27][28][29][30][31][32]
Accordingly, "libertarian socialism" is sometimes used as a synonym for socialist anarchism,[33][34] to delineate it from "individualist libertarianism" (individualist anarchism). On the other hand, some use "libertarianism" to refer to individualistic free-market philosophy only, referring to free-market anarchism as "libertarian anarchism."[35][36]

[BigBallinColin]

Originally Posted by jaesun

But who where the ones busting out windows, throwing rocks at cops, and rolling dumpsters down hills? Who came prepared with pads, gas masks, and helmets on... meaning they where there with the full intention of tussling with cops.

those are probably anarchists and militants. dude I know its hard but there are a lot of people that hate the g20 all over the world.

[DJ Gary-O]

Originally Posted by jaesun

Don't get all but hurt your liberal cohorts came prepared to tussle with police when they protest yet you fuckers can't keep your mouths shut and start making claims of "angry mob" and "racist" when people gather peacefully.

Do your own research. Why don't you look up G20 London protest? Why don't you see what PETA is handing out to children? Why don't you remember all the shit people gave Bush for 8 fucking years and now Obama and his glass jaw can't even handle a little decent. So they turn against the Tea Baggers and praise the anti-capitalists marching with violence at the G20 summit.

GTFO!!!

Don't include me as one of those "fuckers". I sure as fuck never said anything about angry mobs or called you a racist so cool your jets, asshole.

The house your side lives in is comprised of just as much glass as the left so be careful where you aim your stones. This has nothing to do with Obama, it has to do with a bullshit claim that you're making about the right all of the sudden becoming a peaceful group who want nothing more than to find common ground through peaceful means. When was the last time you heard about a group of liberals blowing up abortion clinics, threatening the lives of doctors and legal professionals who support the right to choose, accosting supporters of same sex marriage, or donning white hoods and saluting Hitler?

[PETA]

Originally Posted by name change request

peaceful except for their hateful messages and beliefs

Hateful messages were offered by the protesters at the G20 as well... along with bricks, riots and bears oh my!

Speech is one thing... feel free to disagree with what they are saying. It is a horse of another color (if I may stay with the Oz theme) when the "protesters" trun to violence and riot.

Originally Posted by BigBallinColin

its not just liberals that go to the g20 protests though.

anarchists too....

oh, and I ain't handing out shit to children

[BradH]

theres been some interesting police state videos come out of this


here is a funny one, police posing with an arrested student
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8df_1254082665

[PETA]

Originally Posted by BigBallinColin

those are probably anarchists and militants. dude I know its hard but there are a lot of people that hate the g20 all over the world.

Couldn't they just go back to their shit hole countries (rat hole apartmets - whatever) and leave the rest of us who like a higher standard of living, greater degree of liberty etc etc alone rather than demanding we jump into the crap with them? Seriously, who are these protesters and what would they hold up as the preferred alternative to what they're throwing bricks at, setting on fire and otherwise being fucking dickheads about?

Near as I can tell these G20 anartchists are UK football hooligans with nothing to do in the off season so they go get piss drunk where ever a G20 meeting is being held.