Cloward - Piven Economic Strategy?

[FarangBa]

We're in debt. We keep bailing out big business. Pelosi is talking about another stimulus. Another bill would 'essentially' be another stimulus after that (to help 'offset' the cost of COBRA for those layed off) We keep printing money that has no value (decreasing the U.S. Dollar). We are trying to usher in a healthcare bill that will cost 800 billion more dollars over 10yrs.

Only Crazy People would do this right? Maybe not, is this the strategy our current Administration is using in order to crash the system??

The Cloward-Piven strategy
Using the poor to tear down capitalism

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...iven-strategy/

The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

The Cloward-Piven Strategy

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/..._strategy.html
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/g...asp?grpid=6967
http://frontpage.americandaughter.com/?p=1878
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward-Piven_Strategy

[david austin]

I worked on a thesis called 'The Great Reset' that dealt in part with this.

Its an interesting topic with many of the keys to why people are concerned with some of the actions that our governments have made and have continued to make.

[vinnie97]

The 2-million march on Washington last month includes many of said concerned people...but of course they can't be anything but a mass of corporate slaves.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by david austin

I worked on a thesis called 'The Great Reset' that dealt in part with this.

Its an interesting topic with many of the keys to why people are concerned with some of the actions that our governments have made and have continued to make.

Excellent, I'd love to read it. Honestly, I had never heard of Cloward-Piven nor Saul D. Alinsky until a year or so ago. Now it seems to be coming into focus exactly who is doing what. Most of my remaining questions revolve around - Why? and What Next? There seem to be quite a few competing ideologies taking part in this thing. The "social justice" the "economic justice" and the "racial justice" crowds seem to be taking part in order to receive the booty. However, I can't figure out exactly what will happen once they turn on each other (and they must at some point since their ideologies do not jibe). Marxists, Socialists, Communists, Statists, etc. all seem to be partaking... I just wonder what happens after the fall??

[FarangBa]

Cloward Piven Strategy

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[BradH]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

The 2-million march on Washington last month includes many of said concerned people...but of course they can't be anything but a mass of corporate slaves.

You mean 10,000 person march

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by BradH

You mean 10,000 person march

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaha........

We're talking about the possible destruction of our economy (on purpose) and you want to give funny anecdotes about how many people attended a rally.. BwaaaHaHaHahahaHa...

I love it!

Wow, take a look at all of these 'crazy people' full of Hate

Censored Number of Voices Sing National Anthem Tea Party March 9/12/2009

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9-12 March on DC - Press Stand CRASH

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9/12 Taxpayer Tea Party March on Washington, DC

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912 Tea Party March on Washington DC, on 9/12 2009

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9/12 March for Healthcare Freedom - Chicago Tea Party

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[FarangBa]

Now, back on topic:

There is plenty blame to go around for the financial crash. Yet, there is a distinct odor of the shadowy Cloward-Piven strategy as the taproot of abusive practices that triggered the crisis. The strategy's goal is to bring about the fall of capitalism by overloading and undermining government bureaucracy.

Its supporting tactics include flooding government with impossible demands until it slowly cranks to a stop; overloading electoral systems with successive tidal waves of new voters, many of them bogus; shaking down banks, politicians in Congress, and the Department of Housing and Urban Development for affirmative-action borrowing; and, now, pulling down the national financial system by demanding exotic, subprime mortgages for low-income Americans with little hope of repaying their loans. These toxic mortgages are an important source of the foul smell engulfing the entire financial bailout.



Developed in the mid-1960s by two Columbia University sociologists, Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, much of their strategy was drawn from Saul Alinsky, Chicago's notorious revolutionary Marxist community organizer. The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) succeeded the National Welfare Rights Organization in the execution of the Cloward-Piven grand tactics of using the poor as cannon fodder to tear down the capitalist system. It was low-income, mostly black and Hispanic people, who were used by ACORN guerrillas to take subprime toxic mortgages.



An Obama campaign dispatch on October 6 had the right perspective in observing that "the backward economic philosophy and culture of corruption that helped create the current crisis are looking more and more like any other major financial crisis of our time." True enough.



The root causes for the 2008 financial panic were sown some 40 years ago when the Institute for Policy Studies, the notorious "Think Tank of the Left," held socialist seminars geared toward undermining the American capitalist system. Beginning in 1964 and continuing to the present day, the Institute for Policy Studies has used seminars especially scoped to influence congressmen and their assistants to support the "progressive," that is to say "socialist," viewpoint. A 1969 "Housing and Property" seminar, hosted by the Institute for Policy Studies, for example, treated Capitol Hill denizens to mind-stretching leftism. Bringing together speakers from big-city tenants councils, neighborhood legal services, FHA insurance, savings-and-loans entities, and the Shannon and Luchs Realty Company, the Institute for Policy Studies "plinked" the first domino that led to the current crisis.



At about the same time that the Institute for Policy Studies was holding the 1969 "Housing and Property" seminars, it was also conducting "Experimental Education" seminars in January-April 1969, for federal legislators and their aides that included Bill Ayers, an Obama confidant and Weatherman terrorist, as a guest speaker. According to the Senate Subcommittee on Investigation, 4,330 bombings occurred in the United States, about nine a day, from January 1969 to April 1970.



The socialist test case for using society's poor and disadvantaged people as sacrificial "shock troops," in accordance with the Cloward-Piven strategy, was demonstrated in 1975, when new prospective welfare recipients flooded New York City with payment demands, bankrupting the government. As a consequence, New York state also teetered on the edge of financial collapse when the federal government stepped in with a bailout rescue.



The 2008 financial crisis has all of the earmarks of a Cloward-Piven strategy assault against the capitalist system. Stanley Kurtz of the Ethics and Public Policy Center recently explained that "community organizers" (1) "intimidate banks into making high risk loans to customers with poor credit," (2) "occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes," and, through these thuggish tactics, (3) compel "financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers." "In other words," Mr. Kurtz explained during a presentation at the Hudson Institute's Bradley Center for Philanthropy and Civic Renewal, "community organizers help to undermine America's economy by pushing the banking system into a sink-hole of bad loans."



A key element of the contemporary crisis certainly reflects many years of a "backward economic philosophy and culture of corruption" cited by the Obama camp. But much of the associated backwardness and deception were secretly peddled by the Institute for Policy Studies. Its war against the financial system used improvised non-ethical devices (INEDs) designed to destroy capitalism and support Mr. Obama. One of those roadside INEDs was the Cloward-Piven strategy.



Robert Chandler is a retired Air Force colonel and former strategist for the White House, the Departments of State, Defense, Energy and Justice, and the CIA.

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by BradH

You mean 10,000 person march

You should try to steer away from MSNBC now and again, you're not getting the full picture.

[johnny861]

The true number of protesters is somewhere between MSNBC' 10,000 and FOXNews' 2,000,000.

[FarangBa]

Too much for everyone to read I guess...

[johnny861]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Too much for everyone to read I guess...

I keep meaning to, but between work and freelance at home, it gets kinda hectic.

I really haven't heard much about the cloward-piven strategy, other than the wiki article and the Washington Times article you posted.

That being said, it would appear that this news article is trying to blame the subprime meltdown on a massive socialist conspiracy by intimidating banks and financial institutions into give out loans to the poor and suckering poor people, mainly blacks and hispanics, into taking out loans they couldn't afford.

Am I correct in assuming this so far?

[FarangBa]

Interesting Indeed!

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=GdSUSUSU6U

Emily Douglas, Web editor for The Nation magazine, said Wednesday that making the “recession worse” and making goods “more expensive” for Americans are means to reduce consumerism and preserve the environment.

[BradH]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Too much for everyone to read I guess...

you posted it, so it's already too much.

[johnny861]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Interesting Indeed!

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=GdSUSUSU6U

It would seem that if there was some conspiracy at play that was suckering people into getting loans they couldn't afford, the problem would be the conspirators and not the people that got suckered. Am I correct here? or are these Americans simply casualities of some deeper "war"?