Progressives, Statists, Communists, Marxists, Socialists... Oh My!!

[Bill Spillz]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

I went back through all of the sources I supplied and there is only 2 videos from FOX News. One is where Dunn is talking about how much she admires Mao Tse Tung.. You know that guy who killed 30-70 million chinese.

What, do you think FOX dubbed that shit over her video.

So, Huh?????????????

Dude, don't be such a knee jerk partisan.

Barry Goldwater, George w. Bush, and Karl Rove have all expressed admiration for Mao.

BTW, I never said anything about "videos." Everything you posted above have been Fox News "TALKING POINTS" for several days now, sheep.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Bill Spillz

Dude, don't be such a knee jerk partisan.

Barry Goldwater, George w. Bush, and Karl Rove have all expressed admiration for Mao.

BTW, I never said anything about "videos." Everything you posted above have been Fox News "TALKING POINTS" for several days now, sheep.

Admiration? Not buying. Where'd you get that from? Huffington Post apologia talking points in response to the embarassing comments from Dunn?

But at least you're honest enough to concede that Dunn was in fact expressing her admiration of Chairman Mao. Too bad she wasn't as honest.



here'a a quote from an article I found relating to your claim

"It's not just Dunn, a Democrat, who has used Mao as someone she reads.
Media Matters for America, a liberal media watchdog group, points out that former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, also a Fox News contributor, quoted Mao in a 1995 Roll Call profile. "War is politics with blood; politics is war without blood," Gingrich said, citing Mao.

Karl Rove, another Fox News contributor, wrote in a December 2008 Wall Street Journal op-ed that President Bush "encouraged me to read a Mao biography."

So, based on that ridiculous strandard the fact that I read Communest Manifesto must make me an admirer of Marx? That I read Mein Kampf a fan of Hitler? That I read Hitchhiker's Guide proof that I love Vogon poetry?

gtfo with that crap if all you have is recycled poorly sourced and inaccurately reported garbage

Dunn said Mao was one of her favorite political philosophers. There's a vast difference between recognizing we can learn from reading about Mao and using the word "favorite" to describe him.

[Bill Spillz]

Originally Posted by PETA

Admiration? Not buying. Where'd you get that from? Huffington Post apologia talking points in response to the embarassing comments from Dunn?

But at least you're honest enough to concede that Dunn was in fact expressing her admiration of Chairman Mao. Too bad she wasn't as honest.



here'a a quote from an article I found relating to your claim



So, based on that ridiculous strandard the fact that I read Communest Manifesto must make me an admirer of Marx? That I read Mein Kampf a fan of Hitler? That I read Hitchhiker's Guide proof that I love Vogon poetry?

gtfo with that crap if all you have is recycled poorly sourced and inaccurately reported garbage

Dunn said Mao was one of her favorite political philosophers. There's a vast difference between recognizing we can learn from reading about Mao and using the word "favorite" to describe him.

Yes, admiration when referring to Bush and Rove might have been a stretch. I can't find the source I read a while back that claimed they read and enjoyed his biography, but it was not from media matters.

However, YOU GTFO with your convenient omission of Goldwater's ADMIRATION of Mao, as he has been quoted that he "followed the advice of Mao." -Harper's Mag, 1964

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Bill Spillz

Yes, admiration when referring to Bush and Rove might have been a stretch. I can't find the source I read a while back that claimed they read and enjoyed his biography, but it was not from media matters.

Enjoying a book on the topic hardly equates to admiration of a mass murderer. I'm sure many people enjoyed Helter Skelter yet we wouldn't say they admire Manson... unless we were reaching in order to tarnish some one in the effort to offer cover to the Manson admirer.

Originally Posted by Bill Spillz

However, YOU GTFO with your convenient omission of Goldwater's ADMIRATION of Mao, as he has been quoted that he "followed the advice of Mao." -Harper's Mag, 1964

I didn't conveniently overlook jack. You didn't offer any proof of any of your claim and the evidence of the misuse of the comments of the first was so readily available I thought I'd stop eating the rotten egg omlette.

Again, following the advice of a person doesn't equate to admiration. Even evil men may do good things worth imitating. I'd stop short of admiring Hitler even if he did like children and I followed his advice that having a family is a good thing.

Dunn claimed Mao was one of her favorite politcal philospher she spoke of him an admiring tones and with apologetc language in reference to the death and destruction he caused. Find the comparable love affair from Goldwater et al and I'll happily condemn the comments as absurd, short-sighted, wrong and just plain fucked up.

[Bill Spillz]

Ya know what - I think you guys are on to something. Dunn has revealed through her controversial admiration for a "political philosophy" that she secretly wishes for a communistic genocide of the American people. OH SHIT!!!!!

Edit* And Barry Goldwater did too!!!!!! AHHHHHHH!!!

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Bill Spillz

Ya know what - I think you guys are on to something. Dunn has revealed through her controversial admiration for a "political philosophy" that she secretly wishes for a communistic genocide of the American people. OH SHIT!!!!!

Edit* And Barry Goldwater did too!!!!!! AHHHHHHH!!!

Goldwater's comments were minimal at best... Dunn's were effusive. No one is accusing her of wishing genocide... they are accusing her of poor taste and worse judgment in choosing a totalitarian despot who killed over 50,000,000 of his own people as a person to admire.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by johnny861

You know what's lol about all this... in 7 years, when there's a new president, all this bullshit back and forth will be all forgotten in favor of some new round of bullshit.


Well, gentlemen, the world and America didn't end with George Bush and I'll bet you fuckers money that in 7 years, the world and America won't end with Barack Obama.

It seems to me like a moot point jumping up and down and crying about every semantic, when we should be constructively collaborating on providing solutions to our agreed upon problems.

If we're so called democracy loving capitalists, why the fuck are we all doom and gloom, when we should be optimistic risk takers and do what capitalists do best?

The royalty of Europe and even the all powerful Soviets couldn't beat the capitalists... so what's the big worry folks?

Please convince me that you are correct. Believe me, those of us questioning this craziness hope that we are WRONG!

The biggest difference between your suggestions (constructively collaborating on providing solutions to our agreed upon problems) and (The royalty of Europe and even the all powerful Soviets couldn't beat the capitalists) is....

--The current administration isn't collaborating with anyone on the other side about anything. They are steamrolling.
--We were able to 'beat' everyone with Capitalism, because we were a united front against the Socialists and Communists. Now we are fighting for the life of Capitalism from the 'INSIDE'. These people INSIDE the government are the ones trying to destroy Capitalism and replace it with STATISM..

Since we are agreeing, wouldn't you agree that this is a much more difficult fight than an outside enemy? The enemy within is much harder to identify and root out.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by Bill Spillz

Ya know what - I think you guys are on to something. Dunn has revealed through her controversial admiration for a "political philosophy" that she secretly wishes for a communistic genocide of the American people. OH SHIT!!!!!

Edit* And Barry Goldwater did too!!!!!! AHHHHHHH!!!

Can someone explain to me why there is some sort of problem with admiring...... I don't know, maybe one of the Founding Fathers of our country?

Instead, let's be dumbasses and admire, as one of our favorite political philosophers - Mao Tse-Tung. As well as tell people that Mao is one of the people that you turn to most?????

and I have to disagree with PETA on this, it wasn't just an idiotic analogy... It's very telling that she would even consider Chairman Mao as a viable 'philosopher' worthy of respect, admiration, or advice.

[FarangBa]

Ron Bloom - Manufacturing Czar

Lovely info about how the Free-Market System is a joke and another Administration official giving praise to Chairman Mao.

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RON BLOOM:Generally speaking, we get the joke. We know that the free market is nonsense. We know that the whole point is to game the system, to beat the market or at least find someone who will pay you a lot of money, 'cause they're convinced that there is a free lunch.

We know this is largely about power, that it's an adults only no limit game. We kind of agree with Mao that political power comes largely from the barrel of a gun. And we get it that if you want a friend you should get a dog.

[FarangBa]

Communist Goals for America (c.1963)

Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963
Current Communist Goals
EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Thursday, January 10, 1963

CURRENT (1963) COMMUNIST GOALS
1. US acceptance of co-existence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russian and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the UN.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under the supervision of the UN.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the UN.
11. Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the US Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both the political parties in the US.
16. Use technical decision of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organisations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of arm museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
26. Present homosecuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy".
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasise the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch".
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state".
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to co-operation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man".
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture". Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralised control over any part of the culture-education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioural problems as psychiatric disorders which no-one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasise the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use united force to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalise the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.


Source:Microfilm:
California State University at San JoseClark Library, Government FloorPhone (408)924-2770MicrofilmCall Number: J11.R5Congressional Record, Vol. 10988th Congress, 1st SessionAppendix Pages A1-A2842Jan. 9-May 7, 1963Reel 1

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Ron Bloom - Manufacturing Czar

Lovely info about how the Free-Market System is a joke and another Administration official giving praise to Chairman Mao.

Obama's Czar Ron Bloom Agrees With Mao - address at Investor Conf part3

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The hits keep coming. I guess it was no coincidence Obama sat in a church where "God damn America" was just considered another Sunday morning...

[BradH]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Communist Goals for America (c.1963)

Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963
Current Communist Goals
EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Thursday, January 10, 1963

CURRENT (1963) COMMUNIST GOALS
1. US acceptance of co-existence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russian and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the UN.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under the supervision of the UN.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the UN.
11. Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the US Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both the political parties in the US.
16. Use technical decision of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organisations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of arm museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
26. Present homosecuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy".
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasise the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch".
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state".
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to co-operation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man".
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture". Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralised control over any part of the culture-education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioural problems as psychiatric disorders which no-one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasise the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use united force to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalise the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.


Source:Microfilm:
California State University at San JoseClark Library, Government FloorPhone (408)924-2770MicrofilmCall Number: J11.R5Congressional Record, Vol. 10988th Congress, 1st SessionAppendix Pages A1-A2842Jan. 9-May 7, 1963Reel 1

hahahahahahhahahahaha

[PETA]

What's funny about that? During our brief access to open Soviet Records in the early nineties much of the "paranoia" charged to anti-communists was discovered to not only be true but under estimated.

The soviets founded Comintern with the goal of... by all available means, including armed force, for the overthrow of the international bourgeoisie and for the creation of an international Soviet republic as a transition stage to the complete abolition of the State."

The soviets were active in central america, cuba, congo, arabian peninsula, eastern and central europe... it wasn't a joke.

The path of establishing a communist regime follows a familiar pattern: despotic police states that kill millions of their own people, an impoverished quality of life for most and political gulags for dissenters, pogroms, show trials etc etc.

That shit ain't any kind of funny.

[vinnie97]

when you picture Brad lol'ing or hahah'ing, just imagine a jittery nervous heckling, and then continue reading.

[Coyotl]

OH NOES! A Black radical capitalist hating commie is CZAR of the green jobs sector? its all gone wrong.

its all over. its over. capitalism, the pinnacle of human social developement is finally done for.