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[TheSunAlsoRises]

It's just sickening.

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Please feel free comment. I'm just so mortified & absolutely disgusted that I think I may vomit.

[johnny861]

Cops can be dicks, but this video shows a bunch of actions without context.

[Sinner]

scary music!

[Nyteshade]

Originally Posted by johnny861

Cops can be dicks, but this video shows a bunch of actions without context.

Most of those type of videos usually do.

[Hey Bubu]

propaganda of a different kind. I agree with Hunter, no context so anything can be assumed.

[FarangBa]

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[name change request]

what other context are you looking for?

you have a woman standing on public property, holding a sign. she is then ticketed and then escorted off the property. what else do you need to know?

you have an old woman holding a gun inside her home, not aiming it at anyone. she is then attacked and hit by cops. what other context do you need to know?

what context would be necessary for you to think the actions by these cops are justified?

[TheSunAlsoRises]

As if the police brutality wasn't enough context? No surprise that cops can be dicks, agreed. Should they be allowed to repeatedly enforce the NO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK YOUR MIND OR HAVE RIGHTS TO PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE?

No.

I pieced together [not just with this piece] that basically, at anytime, any place you may be accosted for your rebelling, being an activist, holding an offensive sign - absolutely unable to do so on public property as well.

Freedom has always come with a price tag. I'm just curious if anyone else is taken aback by the massive amounts of info [or disinfo] that is being filtered through the internet relating to the topic [ie: police brutality].

Sure it's propaganda, most may just write it off seeing as inconsequential to their daily living. Or perhaps just a random "coincidences" throughout the U.S. Regardless, it is happening.

Why is ok for one group of individuals to speak out for what they believe & yet the same right is ignored for an opposing group?

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[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by TheSunAlsoRises

As if the police brutality wasn't enough context? No surprise that cops can be dicks, agreed. Should they be allowed to repeatedly enforce the NO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK YOUR MIND OR HAVE RIGHTS TO PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE?

No.

I pieced together [not just with this piece] that basically, at anytime, any place you may be accosted for your rebelling, being an activist, holding an offensive sign - absolutely unable to do so on public property as well.

Freedom has always come with a price tag. I'm just curious if anyone else is taken aback by the massive amounts of info [or disinfo] that is being filtered through the internet relating to the topic [ie: police brutality].

Sure it's propaganda, most may just write it off seeing as inconsequential to their daily living. Or perhaps just a random "coincidences" throughout the U.S. Regardless, it is happening.

Why is ok for one group of individuals to speak out for what they believe & yet the same right is ignored for an opposing group?

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I'm confused. Which side do think is unable to speak their minds, and which side do you think is allowed to speak out?

I think I missed your point.

[flor de vida]

Explain context needed to justify assaulting restrained human beings please?

If someone is restrained and a police officer assaults them it is illegal, indecent, and un-American. Period.

Any American citizen who peaceably assembles on public property (which is built with MY/OUR tax dollars) and is exercising their 1st amendment right of free speech as afforded under the CONSTITUTION OF OUR UNITED STATES is in no way shape or form doing anything illegal. They can not be asked to leave and they should NEVER EVER be intimidated,or physically threatened/assaulted by a police officer (whom is payed with MY/OUR tax dollars) . EVER. That is the most egregious form of failing to fulfill their sworn duty as a public servant. (serve and protect)

Farangba- People being forced to leave a public place by employees of government is the biggest infraction/intrusion of government on our personal rights/lives. I am a little surprised that this wouldn't be more upsetting to you, seeing as how against government infringing on personal rights you seem to be.

Or is that only in certain situations?

[johnny861]

Originally Posted by name change request

what other context are you looking for?

you have a woman standing on public property, holding a sign. she is then ticketed and then escorted off the property. what else do you need to know?

Was there anything that the lady did beforehand to provoke this incident?
The video shows what could potentially be the aftermath of something that was instigated. Again, maybe not, but we don't know that.

Originally Posted by name change request

you have an old woman holding a gun inside her home, not aiming it at anyone. she is then attacked and hit by cops. what other context do you need to know?

Well, for starters, wtf is a swat team doing outside her home in the first place? What are the circumstances surrounding this whole thing? Did the cops bust a wrong house? Was she outside waving the gun at neighbors? It looks like there's a crazier story going on here but the news byte the video is feeding us is just giving us a tiny taste.

I agree that the cops used excessive force and that is wrong, but swat teams don't just hang outside people's homes waiting for someone on the inside to pick up a gun.

We need more info first before we can start casting our stones.

Originally Posted by name change request

what context would be necessary for you to think the actions by these cops are justified?

If the protestor was pulling some stunt beforehand (outside the bounds of free speech) and causing a scene potentially unsafe for the other people there. Not saying she did, but just playing devil's advocate here.

If the granny was outside capin' the neighbor's dog, children or what have you. We have no idea WTF is going on in this video, other than the cops taking this woman down.

[TheSunAlsoRises]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

I'm confused. Which side do think is unable to speak their minds, and which side do you think is allowed to speak out?

I think I missed your point.

I think you did miss my point. The point is that NO ONE should be silenced. So, where one has the right so should the other. Pretty simple.

Originally Posted by johnny861

Was there anything that the lady did beforehand to provoke this incident?
The video shows what could potentially be the aftermath of something that was instigated. Again, maybe not, but we don't know that.

I'm assuming this is reference to the lady with the gun. How much force does it really take to subdue an aging woman? It appears to me that she wasn't acting out or being ballistic in any way. However, we do not know the whole story.

Well, for starters, wtf is a swat team doing outside her home in the first place? What are the circumstances surrounding this whole thing? Did the cops bust a wrong house? Was she outside waving the gun at neighbors? It looks like there's a crazier story going on here but the news byte the video is feeding us is just giving us a tiny taste.

...see above

I agree that the cops used excessive force and that is wrong, but swat teams don't just hang outside people's homes waiting for someone on the inside to pick up a gun.

I understand this statement but, excessive force isn't always necessary. These officers/swat team should be taught how to take someone down without having to assault them. Say for instance say different weight levels. I'm not sure what is taught, that's just my opinion.

Let's look at the footage, clearly there was a news team covering the story, do they normally put themselves in harms way in a domestic stand off [or whatever we want to assume here]?

We need more info first before we can start casting our stones.

Maybe in this case but, there are plenty other examples of where, why & how the Police & those in power have abused what rights they have been given.

If the protestor was pulling some stunt beforehand (outside the bounds of free speech) and causing a scene potentially unsafe for the other people there. Not saying she did, but just playing devil's advocate here.

Please by all means play devil's advocate. It clearly shows her rights being stripped from her. Holding a sign or even speaking loudly is cause for a violent situation? I think not, she obviously was being silenced & why?

What about the guy that was part of a news crew that was forced off public property, out into the street then man-handled by 3 cops. How would this man be considered a safety hazard?

If the granny was outside capin' the neighbor's dog, children or what have you. We have no idea WTF is going on in this video, other than the cops taking this woman down.

Once again see above. I agree we do not understand the entirety of the situation. Based on the amount of footage shown, I'm certain you can attest to the fact that ol granny was not a football player with bulbous muscles that needed to be taken out so forcefully.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by TheSunAlsoRises

As if the police brutality wasn't enough context? No surprise that cops can be dicks, agreed. Should they be allowed to repeatedly enforce the NO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK YOUR MIND OR HAVE RIGHTS TO PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE?

Speech and assembly may be legally regulated as to time place and manner. For example, parades usually require permits. One cannot hold a rally in a public park after it has been closed. One may be prohibitted from using obscene speech even if the time and place are legit. etc etc etc

Originally Posted by flor de vida

Explain context needed to justify assaulting restrained human beings please?

You do not have the right to say whatever you please, whenever you please or whatever you please. There are limits. Did these people cross them - that's the necessary context that is missing.

Originally Posted by flor de vida

Any American citizen who peaceably assembles on public property (which is built with MY/OUR tax dollars) and is exercising their 1st amendment right of free speech as afforded under the CONSTITUTION OF OUR UNITED STATES is in no way shape or form doing anything illegal.

That is not accurate.

Originally Posted by flor de vida

They can not be asked to leave

Sure they can and if they refuse they could be arrested.

Originally Posted by flor de vida

and they should NEVER EVER be intimidated,or physically threatened/assaulted by a police officer (whom is payed with MY/OUR tax dollars) . EVER.

Bullshit. Would you rather an officer intimidated you and got you to walk away or would you prefer to be cuffed, stuffed, printed and processed and sitting in a cell awaiting a bail hearing?

Originally Posted by flor de vida

Farangba- People being forced to leave a public place by employees of government is the biggest infraction/intrusion of government on our personal rights/lives. I am a little surprised that this wouldn't be more upsetting to you, seeing as how against government infringing on personal rights you seem to be.

Or is that only in certain situations?

You're laboring under a misconception of what the rights of assembly and speech are protected

Originally Posted by TheSunAlsoRises

I think you did miss my point. The point is that NO ONE should be silenced. So, where one has the right so should the other. Pretty simple.

Bullshit. You have no right to say what you want, where and whenever you want. Try yelling "fire" in a crowded public space. Try shouting obsceneties in a public space. Try going into a park after closing to have a rally. You could be arrested for any of those exercises of "free speech."

[TheSunAlsoRises]

dammit xian, i was reading that.

[Johnny Funk]

Originally Posted by PETA

You do not have the right to say whatever you please, whenever you please or whatever you please. There are limits. Did these people cross them - that's the necessary context that is missing.

For being assaulted AFTER they are restrained?