McCain still completely out of touch...

[vinnie97]

Just as long as certain other interested parties (like the RIAA) aren't given undue access to contribute to said codification, as it could morph the basic tenet of NN into something beyond its original scope of fair and open access.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Dionysos

As an aside, your analogy of the gov't forcing Walmart to let Target sell through their stores already happens today. Most ISPs are running off somebody else's fiber(like AT&T) because the government forced their hand. The result was increased competition and better prices for the consumer.

But that sounds fairly analogous to deregulation of electricity. The owner of the physical equipment can charge a transmission fee but must permit traffic through their wire. Is it? Analogous? If so, wouldn't that mean that in exchange for neautrality the provider wouild be able to charge a fee?

[zerojunkie]

Originally Posted by PETA

But that sounds fairly analogous to deregulation of electricity. The owner of the physical equipment can charge a transmission fee but must permit traffic through their wire. Is it? Analogous? If so, wouldn't that mean that in exchange for neautrality the provider wouild be able to charge a fee?

Deregulation doesn't exist right now for home users. The last bit of that was killed in 2005 when the FCC decided to reclassify DSL as an information service. That created the duopoly you see in most cities where you only have the choice between one cable provider or one telco provider. I think if deregulation existed right now then we wouldn't be having this discussion on net neutrality, but the telco's fight it tooth and nail and have so far won.

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I heard he's not into techno now either.

[Dionysos]

Originally Posted by zerojunkie

Deregulation doesn't exist right now for home users. The last bit of that was killed in 2005 when the FCC decided to reclassify DSL as an information service. That created the duopoly you see in most cities where you only have the choice between one cable provider or one telco provider. I think if deregulation existed right now then we wouldn't be having this discussion on net neutrality, but the telco's fight it tooth and nail and have so far won.

Actually, a lot of that had to do with the wording of the act which didn't make any caveats for fiber connectivity to the home. That's why when you get FIOS or similar service, they clip the copper lines. Once you go through their proprietary fiber network, you're stuck because few telcos want to re-run a copper connection to your home.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by zerojunkie

Deregulation doesn't exist right now for home users. The last bit of that was killed in 2005 when the FCC decided to reclassify DSL as an information service. That created the duopoly you see in most cities where you only have the choice between one cable provider or one telco provider. I think if deregulation existed right now then we wouldn't be having this discussion on net neutrality, but the telco's fight it tooth and nail and have so far won.

So those companies aer arguing to keep Regs A to avoid Regs B?

This whole interwebs shit is too complicated. We need carrier pigeons.

[zerojunkie]

Originally Posted by PETA

So those companies aer arguing to keep Regs A to avoid Regs B?

This whole interwebs shit is too complicated. We need carrier pigeons.

No, they don't want either Regs.

[Dionysos]

Originally Posted by PETA

This whole interwebs shit is too complicated. We need carrier pigeons.

They've already thought of that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Dionysos

They've already thought of that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers

well, now we're fucked!