Dems losing ground.

[BradH]

yay for links to ridiculous glenn beck websites. lmao

[PETA]

Originally Posted by molecule

conservatives fucked it up in NY 23 though.

But the Republican that was selected through fiat rather than primary was to the left of many democrats. the 11 county selctors fucked that up not Hoffman.

The GOP tent should be expanded to permit differences but when they are so far gone as Scazzofava there's little common ground. Still, the net effect was a colassal fuck up for/by the GOP.

Originally Posted by J. Fees

i dont think losing the VA governors race is that big of a worry for Dems. HOw the hell did a dem get elected in the first place in VA?

But it was when you consider how large Obama's margin was a short time ago and when you consider how much political capital Obama spent campaigning in VA and NJ weighed against the return? If he can't sell candidates for governor how is he going to sell his other policies? It made him look weak.

Originally Posted by matt

RULE 1: "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.".

ffs - you get possessed by Alvin?

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by Funkenstein

Now this one is for you and Farangba:

According to what we are hearing from angles on both sides, the "war" is coming (referring to infighting amongst Americans). Is there no way for referendum to sort that out before we turn to an actual civil war?

Martial law would come into play WELL before things got to that level, but all it would take would be someone smart to step in, grab pundit A's ear from the Dems and pundit B from the Reps, get them on board to tear down the old standard, launch an internet campaign, then go hog wild with these next 3 years to set up for at least a candidate for the next election.

George Stephanopoulos did WONDERS with Bill Clinton in grooming and attacking the MTV generation, news buzz, and political spin. Get someone of his caliber to think about splitting old ties to form something with the Green fervor, the reserved thought of the Right, and the open to all class extolling hands of the Left and within 12 years you could actually have something to challenge the status quo.

The rise of the internet has brought TREMENDOUS stride in public awareness and THAT is the key weapon with which to inform and in this case, contain some of that public rage. That's why people like Olbermann and Stewart are so popular. People look to them as screaming out FOR them.

Why not actually get someone who can actually do something for you into power? I think THAT is what is missing here. You just have to have someone notable willing to cast their lot in with it first.

Radical, I know.

Plausible? Barely.

Would I back it? Absolutely.

Yeah, I suppose you were kidding... if not, just for clarification, I'm not talking about an 'actual war' like shoot your neighbors. Unless they tried to disarm the American people (literally), but the Progressive aren't even that stupid.

But in reference to the idea of 'someone' powerful enough to pull each party by the ear and clear some of this shit up? Unfortunately, I don't think so.

I do, however, think that the Republican Party could possibly be saved and I believe that they can root out the Progressive-light members, but I don't know if it will.

I do, believe that the Democratic Party could do the same thing, but I'm a little less convinced that they want to get rid of the Radicals, Communists, Statist, Socialists, and Marxists in their party.

I hope I'm wrong on both counts.

[J. Fees]

But it was when you consider how large Obama's margin was a short time ago and when you consider how much political capital Obama spent campaigning in VA and NJ weighed against the return? If he can't sell candidates for governor how is he going to sell his other policies? It made him look weak.

do i have to draw that bell curve you probably saw 30 years ago in american politics(freshman pol sci)? It swung far on the obama side, but surely you knew it was going to come backt to the middle. who did it make him look weak too? the people who already don't like him. ok, i'll buy that.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by BradH

yay for links to ridiculous glenn beck websites. lmao

Dood, WAKE UP... there's only 1 link that has anything to do with Beck. Those are just 3 of the many movements going on in the country.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by J. Fees

do i have to draw that bell curve you probably saw 30 years ago in american politics(freshman pol sci)?

The year Reagan ran and slaughtered Carter? That 30 years ago?

Originally Posted by J. Fees

It swung far on the obama side,

1980 electoral count..... 489 (51%) Reagan to 49 (40%) Carter. That sure is a swing Fees. But it swung to the right.... not left. Carter, you will recall, was a one term President in reaction to Nixon and Ford not a cultural shift left. Carter won 297 to 240 to a guy who was never elected and got in the oval office via resignations!

Originally Posted by J. Fees

but surely you knew it was going to come backt to the middle.

Obama. You're calling Obama the middle? His own party is in revolt Fees. He can't get legislation through because he and the leadership in both houses are distant left and people are reacting negatively to it. You cannot complain that GW spent too much and then quadruple his spending to fix that over spending problem and not raise a few eyebrows.

Originally Posted by J. Fees

who did it make him look weak too?

The squishy middle that elected him President and then rejcted his man in VA by a huge margin and his guy in NJ.

To the people who saw him fail to sell Chicago to the Olympic Cmt. To the people who saw him get more demands from the Russians for selling out Poland and the Czech Republic rather than concessions. To the Iranians who told him to piss up a rope regarding his demands that they stop being so naughty with those darned nuclear bombs. To our allies in Afganistan who wonder if we are committed or not. To the UN in Afganistan who pulled half their people. To the world who he told he'd close Guantanamo. That's a decent "off the top" list don't you think?

Originally Posted by J. Fees

the people who already don't like him. ok, i'll buy that.

Well, that's true but you're leaving out that host of others I mentioned.


The man can deliver a speech... he can promise... but can he lead?

[tricky]

Former Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer---November 3, 2009: It's a real significant check on Barack Obama's first year in office. I don’t think anyone can minimize what it means to the president.
Anderson Cooper: The White house will say these are local elections about local issues. Do you buy that?
Fleischer: No.
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Fleischer in the White House briefing room 8 years ago---November 5, 2001: You have to take a look at off-year elections as local elections, primarily. I think there's a pretty universal view on that. ... Typically these kinds of off-year elections are reflective of local events, local politics.

[vinnie97]

Typically, yes...current rising employment isn't "typical."

[PETA]

Originally Posted by tricky

Former Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer---November 3, 2009: It's a real significant check on Barack Obama's first year in office. I don’t think anyone can minimize what it means to the president.
Anderson Cooper: The White house will say these are local elections about local issues. Do you buy that?
Fleischer: No.
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Fleischer in the White House briefing room 8 years ago---November 5, 2001: You have to take a look at off-year elections as local elections, primarily. I think there's a pretty universal view on that. ... Typically these kinds of off-year elections are reflective of local events, local politics.

Yup, White House Press Sec's spin facts. They are political operatives not neutral observers. That's a bi-partisan issue. Fleisher did it and now it's Gibbs' turn. It would be intersting to compare the events more closely (How much GW campaigning went into those lost races compared to how much Obama campaigning went into VA and NJ for example) to gauge the degree of spin but the principle remains.

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Typically, yes...current rising employment isn't "typical."

No, but it isn't unprecedented either. Makes it no less important to address we just need to keep things in perspective. 1982 was ugly... we're getting close and could pass that. The next worst rates were depression rates which were up to double the current rate. (1932 = 23%)

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by molecule

yea the locals did not like Palin and clan swooping in trying to take over their election. it backfired on them.

Oops, not so fast: Doug Hoffman Withdraws Concession in New York Special Congressional Election

Acorn can kindly stay the f*ck out.