Bush opinion

Ok I Really dislike bush and I just had a huge arguement with my parents but was frustrated highly cause while I got most of my info about him here, I had forgotten most of it so here lies my question.


What is it (If you can sum it up tidly) that makes bush such a horrible president as compared to others?

Everything from economic policy to his gestapo like actions of trying to police the world. I want everything you people can feed me.

Im sick of being iggnorant about this shit and am going to make it my mission to inform people that its not about the fucking patriotism, its about making it through the next election and everything else our disgrace for a president does.

[Ryan]

Yeah, what WarLord said. Basically, he embodies all the worst qualities of conservatism and liberalism.

[BaZarSoundZ.com]

Ok I Really dislike bush and I just had a huge arguement with my parents but was frustrated highly cause while I got most of my info about him here, I had forgotten most of it so here lies my question.

Ok am i the only one that found that funny?

What is it (If you can sum it up tidly) that makes bush such a horrible president as compared to others?

Sounds like you are writing a paper..are you?...its not a bad idea.

2) He has consistently undercut civil rigts and privacy rights. His Attorney General is on the record as stating that anyone who opposes the policies or wishes of this administratioin should be considered an active traitor and locked up.
undercut who's privacy rights, the camel jockys that flood into this country illegally every year, or the whiny gun nuts holled up in some compound waiting for the apocolypse. The changes that most liberals are screaming is no more than improving the communication between government offices that already exist, prior to 9/11 there was no way for the government to make the connection between illegal bank transactions, phony visas, flight school student applications (by the way our govt paid for their school thanks to the grants we provide non-us citizens to go to school in the US) forigen inteligence, wire taps, local, state, and Federal agencies. If they were to try to do something like this again one FBI agent would see that this group of middle eatrern men were involved in all this nasty shit and have time to prevent it from happening again. this would have taken months to organize before, now it takes minutes. The information was already there now they can actually use it.

That is a good point, BUT stuff like that can be used VERY badly by the wrong people in high powered postions.

[Edwin Watson]

E Brake. You, sir, are a moron. That is a collection of the most ignorant statements I think I have ever seen in my life. And the smattering of Racism, nice touch.

Originally posted by Marvin
Ok am i the only one that found that funny?




Sounds like you are writing a paper..are you?...its not a bad idea.




That is a good point, BUT stuff like that can be used VERY badly by the wrong people in high powered postions.

hahahhahaha yeah it is kinda funny.


No im not writing a paper though. Im just sick of not knowing whats going on and I dont trust the modern media. I respect you guys opinions more because for the most part most of you do alot more research and TO MY KNOWLEDGE seem better informed.

Originally posted by E-brake
Well as I see it he has finnaly reduced pilfering of hard working Americans that we were stuck with after all the years of the Democrats raising taxes. The fact is the government does not need as much money as it spends, it out of countroll, if someone has a drinking problem you dont keep feeding them more and more vodca so they can keep the same drunken state of mind, if the govrnment has a spending problem you dont keep sending them more and more of our hard earned money. Another thing to realize is the deficit is money that we owe to ourelves, its not like someone is sitting outside the US waiting to reposess our tanks, a billion dollars to the US government is like $.50 to you or me its no big thing. And the "surplus" was a simple representation of the over taxation of the American people, the founders of our nation never intended the US to see taxes as a profit making scheme, they are a way to provide common good and services for all americans.

If you had bothered to read Bush's tax cut plan, you'd find that it affects mostly the 5% most wealthy individuals in the nation, not the "hard working Americans" as you so described. Before making assumptions, why don't you go and actually READ his tax policy.

Regarding your comment on "the deficit is money we owe ourselves", this isn't true. Granted, alot of the money is from government bonds, etc, but the US Government borrows money from other countries, and has for decades. Again, check your facts.

undercut who's privacy rights, the camel jockys that flood into this country illegally every year, or the whiny gun nuts holled up in some compound waiting for the apocolypse. The changes that most liberals are screaming is no more than improving the communication between government offices that already exist, prior to 9/11 there was no way for the government to make the connection between illegal bank transactions, phony visas, flight school student applications (by the way our govt paid for their school thanks to the grants we provide non-us citizens to go to school in the US) forigen inteligence, wire taps, local, state, and Federal agencies. If they were to try to do something like this again one FBI agent would see that this group of middle eatrern men were involved in all this nasty shit and have time to prevent it from happening again. this would have taken months to organize before, now it takes minutes. The information was already there now they can actually use it.

First, I'd like to congratulate you for making such an incredibly racist comment regarding "camel jockeys". Way to increase the credibility of your statements.

Secondly, if you had bothered to read the "Patriot Act" legislation that was passed last year, you'd find that the act goes far beyond "improving communications".

The act authorizes wiretaps on any US Citizen, without a direct court order, even if the specific citizen is not directly suspected of terrorist activities. They are not even required to show in court that a person being tapped is suspected of a terrorist act.

The Patriot act also classifies activities from peaceful groups such as "Greenpeace" as domestic terrorism.

The act also allows for collection of DNA from US citizens for storage in a national DNA database.

Note, these laws are in effect *today*. this is not impending legislation.

During World War II we had all Japonese, and German people sent to guarded, fenced communities untill the war was over.(and in my opinion next time someone from the middle east blows something up in the US with help from American citizens we should go back to that policy )

So based on your argument, when Timothy Mkvey bombed that federal building, all Americans should be put into concentration camps, since we're the same race as him? Great idea.

Alan Greenspan also said that we arent in a resession, so if your going to side with him on taxes, then side on him with the resession and just believe that its all ok

Do you even know the definition of a recession?

A recession is defined as "two consecutive quarters with a declining gross domestic product".

Guess what? We've had more than two consecutive quarters with a declining gross domestic product, therefore we're in a recession.

The government isnt interested in looking into you bedroom to watch you spank it to porn, they want to monitor known terrorist webstes, like the ones used by the 9/11 hyjackers to communicate with their leadership in the middleast, they want to know who is looking up directions to make bombs, etc. And if you think this is anything new, get a clue. Since the very beginnings of the internet, polics and government agencies in the US and throught the world have been monitoring the internet for things like child porn its nothing new, they just want to expand the search to terrorist organizations and extremest groups. If you think they are interested in anything that you are looking at get a clue. They would need the entire population of China on payroll 24 hours a day to monitor all Americans internet surfing. If your not a terrorist or a pedofile then you have nothing to worry about.

First of all, the government *is* interested in monitoring US citizens other than terrorists. Most of the checks and balances put into place (that the Bush administration destroyed) were inacted after *massive* privacy invasions during the 1960s and 1970s, where over 10,000 citizens were spied on regularly, including Martin Luther King.

Tell me, was Martin Luther King a terrorist?

Regarding your comments on "needing the entire population of China to monitor all Americans internet surfing", get your facts straight.

Ever heard of computers? You can automate all this sort of stuff.

I'd be happy to point you to over a half dozen different companies that sell internet surveillance software, alot of which sell it directly to the US government. These programs can monitor (in an automated fashion) web browsing activity, emails, chat, looking for specific key words or other sorts of activity.

And guess what, software doesn't care if you're a terrorist, or a "camel jockey" as you so nicely put it earlier. How would you like it if you wrote an email to a buddy saying something like "dude, that party was the BOMB!", only to have feds bust down your door and search through your shit because you used the word "Bomb" in email.

the Democrats shot down the republicans prescription drug plan, now that the Dems have been booted its only a matter of time before the plan is reintroduced and approved.

Did you ever stop to think that the plan was shot down because it sucks?

Go read the plan, and you'll find that:

1. It would force most seniors to wait over 4 years before receiving any benefits whatsoever.

2. It would force most seniors to incur over $6000 of out-of-pocket drug costs before giving them benefits

3. the plan does nothing to control prescription drug costs for seniors. this is why the drug companies were strong advocates of bush's plan.

His administration has successfully blocked all of the attempts of the Democrats to keep dipping their hands into the SS fund, and they are in the process of repealing all of the actions that Clinton made to drain the fund. SS is empty because the democrats started spending the money out of the fund for other programs.

The US government has been dipping into the social security system for over 30 years, under both Republican and Democratic administrations.

9) The deficit now stands at $6.4 trillion and growing with projected record deficits of at least $300 billion a year for the next 2-4 years.

The debt stands at $6.4 trillion, not the deficit.

On that note, they're about to pass legislation raising the "cap" on the national debt, allowing it to grow even larger than previously allowed.

Originally posted by MR_J
hahahhahaha yeah it is kinda funny.


No im not writing a paper though. Im just sick of not knowing whats going on and I dont trust the modern media. I respect you guys opinions more because for the most part most of you do alot more research and TO MY KNOWLEDGE seem better informed.

For the record this is casey posting under Jeremiahs name

[per1sh]

the proportional tax system is technically unfair. how would you feel if you had to pay approaching 40% of your income to uncie sam? not too happy i'd imagine.

the proportional system is a utilitarian thing. if it were a flat tax, it would be fair, but the lower class wouldn't be able to live.

[Edwin Watson]

E Brake, I do apologize for calling you a moron. The racism that you put forth as a joke is something that I deal with quite alot in my profession and I get fed up with it and in a forum such as this I can vent. I am sorry if I took it out on you unfairly.

Regardless of all of that, the arguements that you state on the other subjects are quite flawed. I can 100% assure you that the arguements put forth by Warlord and the rebuttals stated by Oblique, props to him by the way, are correct.

In addition, it really saddens me that you, among a great many others, dont have the "energy" to read or pay attention to the laws passed and actions taken by their government, which I again assure you DO affect your life. The laws that are being passed right now are expanding the police powers of the government to an unprecedented degree and I for one am getting a bit nervous. Dont get me wrong. I am not a freak on one end of the political spectrum or the other. I tend to be rather moderate actually, but I am still getting nervous when the power that be say if I don't agree with what they are doing then I should be considered a traitor. I love this country and that hurts me deeply.

Again, I apologize for overreacting if I did. I do ask that you pay attention to what is going on around you though. It affects us all.

[Chees]

This is such bullshit, I was watching the news and in bushes latest speech on the middleast he said after we kick sodamm out of power (which is all well and good he is an evil man) were going to march right into bagdad and start up a new goverment, Fanfuckintastic,

Which means for the next how ever so many years we the citizens of the US will be paying money to help fund the new goverment in Iraq. Thats the last thing I want to be spending my tax dollars on is funding a new goverment in some far of country, but not to sound like a asshole I do think that region of the world needs help, I just wish the United States would stop playing the role of Police officer and focus more on our own country for a change, because as you already can see our economy is going down the shitter.

Chees.

[Adam D]

If you pick up today's Time magazine, on page 15 I believe, there is a nifty little article about the ridiculous amount of money we plan to spend to rebuild the infrastructure of Iraq (I think it's $900 billion). This money will be sent to corporations "approved" by USAID...and oddly enough, are the same ones that were approved to rebuild Afghanistan after we blew it up too (on your bill, too). Of course, this has not received anywhere near as much coverage as it should have.

I'm in the process of analyzing the list of "approved" corporations against Bush's election campaign funds...

[Big Andy]

Originally posted by Chees
This is such bullshit, I was watching the news and in bushes latest speech on the middleast he said after we kick sodamm out of power (which is all well and good he is an evil man) were going to march right into bagdad and start up a new goverment, Fanfuckintastic,

Which means for the next how ever so many years we the citizens of the US will be paying money to help fund the new goverment in Iraq. Thats the last thing I want to be spending my tax dollars on is funding a new goverment in some far of country, but not to sound like a asshole I do think that region of the world needs help, I just wish the United States would stop playing the role of Police officer and focus more on our own country for a change, because as you already can see our economy is going down the shitter.

Chees.

Yeah, people keep saying it's our moral responsibility to help the people in the middle east. I say fuck that! If we had no problems of our own and the government was sitting around with their thumbs up their asses just accruing tax money with nothing to do with it, then yes, I would support maybe trying to help out some countries in need of help to overthrow a genocidal/tyrannical leader.

But we got our own fuckin problems!! We need health care. We need to deal with this economy. We need to deal with the war on drugs. We need our fucking Bill of Rights protection back that the patriot act took away. I don't give a fuck how many innocent people aren't having a good time in the middle east, we got our own shit to tend to.

It's not selfish to want to work on the problems of your own country before running around overthrowing governments half way around the fuckin world! I'm just as big of a humanitarian as anybody else, but let's get the folks at home some jobs and health care before we start marauding around the middle east deciding who we want in power.

And anyone who thinks George Dubya is trying to help the Iraqi people with nothing but humanitarian intentions is hopelessly blind!!

[Adam D]

It would be a nice idea if the Bush administration gave two shits about the people of Iraq. This isn't a humanitarian cause. It's about the WMDs, at least as far as Bush suggests.

I would buy the argument a bit more if Bush were arguing that we ought to go in to save the people of Iraq from Hussein and to promote democracy, but that's not the case either. The administration has picked out who the next leader will be, and that's quite anti-democratic.