Dubya loves Jesus, and so should you

[HeyLiz]

My brother sent this e-mail to me and I think it's uhh interesting/dumb. I thought some people would enjoy it.



Thoughts on our President
Whether you actually like George W. or not.... This has some interesting thoughts...
First, an observation. Have you noticed a difference in the salute
given by our military men and women as President Bush walks by?
Most folks would not notice anything, but those of us who have served in the military see it right away.

Next time, Watch: When President Bush leaves his helicopter or Air Force One, the honor guards salute and face him as he disembarks, then turn their faces towards him as he passes by. They continue to salute his back as he walks away. This kind of salute has not been seen in the previous eight years, though it is customary courtesy to the Commander-in-Chief. You see, soldiers aren't required to turn and face the President as they salute. They are not required to salute his back. They are only required to salute. They can remain face-forward the entire time.
And that is what they did during the previous administration. Our soldiers were forced to obey his orders, but they were not forced to respect him.
From their salutes, we can surmise that they did not. Why is such respect afforded to President Bush? He doesn't even know how to bite his lower lip and not get teary-eyed whenever he speaks!

The following incident from Major General Van Antwerp may give us an insight. Gen. Antwerp is president of the Officers' Christian Fellowship. He lost nearly all his staff when the Pentagon was attacked Sept. 11. His executive officer LTC Brian Birdwell was
badly burned and in the hospital when President Bush visited him. As he was getting ready to leave, he went to the foot of Brian's bed and saluted. He held his salute until Brian was able to raise his burned and bandaged arm, ever so slowly, in return.
The Commander-in-Chief almost never initiates a salute, except in the case of a Congressional Medal of Honor winner. The injured soldier did not have to return the salute. But he did, out of respect to his President ...-a Soldiers' President.

Congressman JC Watts (R. Oklahoma) said, "Character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking," The nation and world learned some of what our last President did when nobody was looking. That President has been disbarred. The worst disgrace (other than imprisonment) to a lawyer. CNN will have a difficult time shining his or his wife's tarnished images. In this time of war and danger, I am so grateful to have a President whom the soldiers salute-fully.

On Special Report with Brit Hume, at the close of the show when they normally have some funny video clip, they showed President Bush and the First Lady on their way to Maine to leave for Camp David for the weekend. As the video starts, the First Lady is leading the way into the helicopter with the spaniel dog on the leash, and the president is right behind her with the Scotty on the leash. As the First Lady entered the chopper, the Marine at the gangway saluted and held his salute. The Scottie the president was walking decided it wanted to sit right when he got to the steps. The president pulled on its leash, but the stubborn Scottie persisted in sitting. The president bent down and scooped up the pooch and entered Marine One. After he entered, the Marine cut his salute and returned to the position of attention. Moments later the President reemerged from the helicopter and out onto the steps. The Marine was standing at attention, head and eyes straight ahead. The President leaned over and tapped him on the left arm. The startled Marine turned his body toward the President and received his returned salute!

I was so impressed by this true act of respect for our military people by our President! He really does get it. Most any other person of his stature would have just continued his journey, disregarding the neglected return salute. Not George W. Bush. He is earning the respect of the military community, not expecting it-as most have and would.

President George W. Bush. The man who admitted to having a drinking problem in younger years, and whose happy-go-lucky lifestyle led him to mediocre grades in college and an ill-fated oil venture. Who mangled syntax, and whose speaking miss-steps became known as "Bushisms." He came within a hair's breadth of losing the election in November.

Bush named Jesus Christ as Lord of his life on public TV. Not an
Oblique reference to being "born-again" or having a "life change." He actually said the un-PC-like phrase, "Jesus Christ!"

On September 11, he was thrust into a position only known by the likes of Roosevelt, Churchill, Lincoln, and Washington. The weight of the world was on his shoulders, and the responsibility of a generation was on his soul. So President George W. Bush walked to his seat at the front of the National Cathedral just three days after two of the most impressive symbols of American capitalism and prosperity virtually evaporated.

When the history of this time is written, it will be acknowledged by friend and foe alike that President George W. Bush came of age in that cathedral and lifted a nation off its knees. In what was one of the most impressive exhibitions of self-control in presidential history, President George W. Bush was able to deliver his remarks without losing his resolve, focus, or confidence. God's hand, which guided him through that sliver-thin election, now rested fully on him. As he walked back to his seat, the camera angle was appropriate. He was virtually alone in the scene, alone in that massive place with God, just him and the Lord. Back at his seat, George H. Bush reached over and took his son's hand. In that gesture his father seemed to say, "I wish I could do this for you, son, but I can't. You have to do this on your own." President George W. Bush squeezed back and gave him a look of peace that said, "I don't have to do it alone, Dad. I've got Help."
What a blessing to have a professing Christian as President. Please take a moment after you read this to "pray for him." He truly does have the weight of the world on his shoulders. Pray that God will sustain him and give him wisdom and discernment in his decisions.

Pray for his protection and that of his family.
And after you have prayed, send this to everyone on your e-mail
list. Our President needs Christians, Democrats and Republicans alike, to be praying for him. As this makes the e-mail rounds, eventually there could literally be millions of people praying for him, and for our Great Country....

[willy_jack]

Bush is a moron seeking re-election. He is about as spiritual as a fucking used condom. His war reeks of evil, yet he prays???

[HeyLiz]

Originally posted by Willy_Jack
Bush is a moron seeking re-election. He is about as spiritual as a fucking used condom. His war reeks of evil, yet he prays???

It reeks of evil b/c he is trying to make sure that everyone in the world is given the freedom they are entitled to? Damn, what an evil evil man.

[willy_jack]

Originally posted by HeyLiz
It reeks of evil b/c he is trying to make sure that everyone in the world is given the freedom they are entitled to? Damn, what an evil evil man.

Keep lying to yourself, Liz. Bush is not doing this for anyone other than himself and what it can do to get him re-elected.

[Adam D]

Well, if the military would like to shop that kind of respect to a guy who evaded serving in the military by having daddy put him in the little yellow short bus of the national guard, I guess that's their choice.

[HeyLiz]

Originally posted by Willy_Jack
Keep lying to yourself, Liz. Bush is not doing this for anyone other than himself and what it can do to get him re-elected.

Do you even know anything at all about the situation over there or what Bush's plans are? Don't be so quick to judge when you obviously don't even know any side of what he is doing. You have just jumped on the Bush-hating bandwagon b/c it's easier than finding out the true facts.

[dancejunkee]

Originally posted by Adam D
Well, if the military would like to shop that kind of respect to a guy who evaded serving in the military by having daddy put him in the little yellow short bus of the national guard, I guess that's their choice.

oh come now....if you could avoid going and fighting in battle wouldn't you?

HeyLiz: actually, you bring up an interesting point. Do you know?

[Adam D]

Originally posted by dancejunkee
oh come now....if you could avoid going and fighting in battle wouldn't you?

Sure, but I would be honest about doing so, not pretend like I understand what our soldiers do for this nation.

Fuck Bush and his religious bullshit. This country used to be a democracy, but it is obvious that Bush wants it to be a theocracy. This is obvious by the fact that Bush believes we are freeing the world from their toils and hardships. What you don't hear is that these 'hardships' are the result of deeply held religious beliefs that happen to conflict with the president's convictions. I am not religous, and am extremely pissed every time I hear Bush speaking from the Bible or preaching or whatever the hell kind of religious bullshit he pulls on TV. I realise I am a minority in this country (approximately .3% by the latest statistics), but his judeo-christian blabber also offends muslims, wiccans, satanists, and any other religion that exists in this country. So fuck Bush and his stupid, incoherent, bible-beating bullshit.

just my .02

[dancejunkee]

Originally posted by Adam D
Sure, but I would be honest about doing so, not pretend like I understand what our soldiers do for this nation.

we are talking about politicians here arn't we?
hehehehe

[HeyLiz]

Originally posted by hyoomen
HeyLiz: actually, you bring up an interesting point. Do you know?

Yes, I have gone to/been a part of many debates on this subject, and actually started out being anti-war (when I was ignorant on the subject), then went to being undecided, and as I found out more facts, realized that it was not at all about "Bush seeking re-election." No one should be allowed to freely bomb and gas and repress his own nation. People over there are shot if they don't vote for him. You know something is terribly wrong when a person gets 100% of the vote.

I am not religous, and am extremely pissed every time I hear Bush speaking from the Bible or preaching or whatever the hell kind of religious bullshit he pulls on TV. I realise I am a minority in this country (approximately .3% by the latest statistics), but his judeo-christian blabber also offends muslims, wiccans, satanists, and any other religion that exists in this country. So fuck Bush and his stupid, incoherent, bible-beating bullshit.

I am not religious either, and I knew having a President from the bible belt would bring up bullshit like this, but people are allowed to have their faith. I don't really care what faith he is, but as soon as he starts funding religious orginizations...grrrrr

[Adam D]

Originally posted by HeyLiz
Yes, I have gone to/been a part of many debates on this subject, and actually started out being anti-war (when I was ignorant on the subject), then went to being undecided, and as I found out more facts, realized that it was not at all about "Bush seeking re-election." No one should be allowed to freely bomb and gas and repress his own nation. People over there are shot if they don't vote for him. You know something is terribly wrong when a person gets 100% of the vote.

While nobody doubts the horrific nature of his regime, there are three questions that ought to be asked concerning this in relation to the war. One, is this what the war is about? Two, is this particular time and method the proper one to resolve this, IE will it be effective, or will the new chosen leader going to engage in these same acts? Three, what are the associated risk of such a war upon the US, IE an increase in terrorism and a loss of human life?

While you are correct about the horrors of Hussein's regime, have your sources also explained to you our involvement in bringing him to power, placing him on CIA payroll during the 80's, providing him the money, weapons and weapons producing facilities in the 70's and 80's (which were used on both Iranians and Kurds alike)? If we are responsible, at least partly, for putting him in to power, what sort of responsibility does our government bear in his actions? Moreover, if our government chose Hussein to control Iraq, and we chose very poorly for the people of Iraq, is it really a good idea for the US to choose the next leader? We have time and time again placed brutal dictators like Hussein in power in nations we wanted as business partners allies, particularly in the 80's throughout Latin America. Hell, even those we chose to control Afghanistan after we went to war there are equally if not more oppressive than the Taliban, plus they are willing to cater to the demands of Amerikan oil companies rather than the needs of the war-torn nation.

[Adam D]

To be perfectly honest, if the US were to agree to use the war merely as an ends to eliminate Hussein's regime and the threat of Iraqi attacks on the US and then turned over the responsibility of rebuilding Iraq and restructuring the political system to the UN, as much as I despise war, I would be willing to accept the idea of this war in so much as all other possible options had expired.

Having a foot in both idealism and realism, I understand that sometimes the use of limited force is unfortunately necessary. However, I don't think this is one of those times. I also have solid evidence that there is more to the war than eliminating a threat or an evil dictator. It's political and economically beneficial to Bush's friends in corporate amerika, and the loss of lives on either side is simply not a cost I am willing to support for somebody else's benefit.

[HeyLiz]

While you are correct about the horrors of Hussein's regime, have your sources also explained to you our involvement in bringing him to power, placing him on CIA payroll during the 80's, providing him the money, weapons and weapons producing facilities in the 70's and 80's (which were used on both Iranians and Kurds alike)? If we are responsible, at least partly, for putting him in to power, what sort of responsibility does our government bear in his actions?

No one is perfect, and since it took this long for anyone to even pay attention to the terrible things he is doing, just goes to show you that Dubya is doing more than his job. Was it GWB who put him on the payroll and gave him those weapons? NO. He is noticing the mistake we made that long ago and trying to fix it. Also, how is anyone supposed to know what kind of leader someone is going to be? I can assure you that Hussein didn't tell them he was going to opress his people and bomb them when he came into power. Once again, everyone makes mistakes, and now we are trying to fix them.

While nobody doubts the horrific nature of his regime, there are three questions that ought to be asked concerning this in relation to the war. One, is this what the war is about?

This war is about freeing an oppressed nation from its crazed leader. Also, since we are suddenly so avid in fighting against terrorism, we are also going to bring down many terrorist camps, because Hussein proudly supports those groups.

Two, is this particular time and method the proper one to resolve this, IE will it be effective, or will the new chosen leader going to engage in these same acts?

Do you know a better way? Even through the sanctions and inspections, he has still manages to lie to the UN's face about what weapons he does and does not have, while all along he is stockpiling weapons, and for what? to look at them? Highly doubtful.
And whoeve the new chosen leader is, hopefully he will not take his power to the extreme like Hussein has done. We will not know for sure until it happens, but not every nation has rules and guidelines that the leader has to follow (eh, to a certain degree), like here in America. Their leaders can change and make any laws they wish, becuase their government is in many ways, barbaric.

Three, what are the associated risk of such a war upon the US, IE an increase in terrorism and a loss of human life?

I know this is a terrible thing to say, but when someone signs up to be in the army, navy, whatever, they know that at any minute they can be shipped off somewhere and potentially die. They voluntarily signed up for this, and even though we should all feel empathy for those who lose someone, we should not feel bad because they knowingly brought that onto themselves. Atleast they have the balls to go out and fight for something they believe in, instead of just bitching and moaining about how badly it sucks.
And, bringing Hussein down will also bring a lot of terroist groups along with him. He harbors many camps and openly welcomes anyone who opposes the US. Why? Because we made him who he is today. How selfish and backwards is that man?


Now tell me this, since Hussein will not follow UN sanctions, continually lies and misleads the weapons inspectors, welcomes terrorists groups who oppose the US and anyone who supports them, and is not going to willingly give up his office...what other measures can we go to to get him to stop?