Saturday, March 15th: State-wide, anti-war rally and march at our State Capitol

Saturday, March 15th
Deep in the Heart of Bush Country: No War in Iraq!

Ten thousand people massed together at the last anti-war protest in Austin on February 15th. Come March 15th, lets demonstrate the same powerful solidarity once again on Bush's former stomping grounds.

Lets support our troops by bringing them home!


1pm Rally
2pm March down Congress Ave

Rally Speakers:

Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee

Paul Farris (Gulf War veteran)

Patrice Mallard (American Friends Service Committee)

Nelson Linder (NAACP)

Walter Hinojosa (AFL-CIO)

***Wheelchair accessible. Kid friendly. Free parking in the state parking garages along San Jacinto,between 12th and 15th.

http://www.austinagainstwar.org/

[Big Andy]

Originally posted by E-brake
If you watch the media and listen to the reports, you would think it was the sixties again with these anti-war protests on college campuses. The media gives the impression that half the student body is out there marching in the street, and it just ain't the case, folks.

In the Wall Street Journal’s Best of the Web column on Thursday, they did some number crunching and compared reports of the number of protesting students to the enrollment figures in the Information Please Almanac and came up with some very revealing results.

Lets just say that, after doing the math, the percentage of students not protesting is in the 95 percentile range. For example, at the University of California at Berkeley, with a student enrollment of 22, 593, only 300 protested. When you break that down, that’s 98.67% of the student body not protesting. Yet you get reports from the AP like this, “High school and college students across the country walked out of class Wednesday to protest a war with Iraq, holding a series of rallies organizers predicted would be the biggest campus demonstrations since the Vietnam War.”

This thread and the protest it's advertising has absolutely nothing to do with college campuses, students, or the "walk-outs" last wednesday. Maybe you should open your fucking eyes and READ the post beginning to end. It's a short post, I know you can do it if you put your mind to it.

Originally posted by Big Andy
This thread and the protest it's advertising has absolutely nothing to do with college campuses, students, or the "walk-outs" last wednesday. Maybe you should open your fucking eyes and READ the post beginning to end. It's a short post, I know you can do it if you put your mind to it.

This coming from someone that is always talking about open-mindedness and PLUR. Show some respect for someone elses opinion and don't bash them if that differs from your point of view.
If your going to talk about grown up topics you need to do a little bit of first.

[Big Andy]

Originally posted by Culture
This coming from someone that is always talking about open-mindedness and PLUR. Show some respect for someone elses opinion and don't bash them if that differs from your point of view.
If your going to talk about grown up topics you need to do a little bit of first.

You have no idea what you are talking about. I did not contradict anyone else view in my post. Some one posted about a protest that is not related to any college campus protests or walk outs and he came in here trying to down play college students participation. I''m sure there is a better thread for E-brake's comment, and if there isn't, then maybe he should start his own. I think it's a good thread topic.

If you had read my post you might be able to realize what I mean, It's quite clear to those who are actually literate.

READ before you speak, smart guy.

Always talking about open-mindedness, huh? Is that a bad thing? Is it wrong to get tired of people spewing bullshit insults at each other and then plugging their ears so they don't have to hear the response? I don't do that. If some one disagrees with me, I hear them out and logically tear apart their argument if I have good logic and facts to back myself up with. Which I often do.

But hey, I seem to be becoming the D-raves whipping boy, so meh...

[Eric Scholwinski]

I think all you bitches are scared of dieing. Sadam needs to die and everyone else who follows him. Women, children, men, It doesn't make a fuck. And if innocents get in the way, well, that's not our problem. Shit happens.

I'm not for war or against it. As I really could care less what happens in this world. I'm here to do one thing, just like everyone else. -Reproduce-.


We should of killed his ass the first fucking time. Fucking bullshit ass country was scared someone new would come out and be worse. Well, what do you do? Kill that fucker and anyone else who wants to try the same thing. After 3 or 4 times, People might think 'hey, these people mean business' and stop.


Oh and big andy, shut the fuck up.

Originally posted by Phunk-U
I think all you bitches are scared of dieing. Sadam needs to die and everyone else who follows him. Women, children, men, It doesn't make a fuck. And if innocents get in the way, well, that's not our problem. Shit happens.

I'm not for war or against it. As I really could care less what happens in this world. I'm here to do one thing, just like everyone else. -Reproduce-.


We should of killed his ass the first fucking time. Fucking bullshit ass country was scared someone new would come out and be worse. Well, what do you do? Kill that fucker and anyone else who wants to try the same thing. After 3 or 4 times, People might think 'hey, these people mean business' and stop.


Oh and big andy, shut the fuck up, kid.

no but really..Tell us how you really feel. At least your speaking your mind. Trust me there are many Americans that feel the same way.

[noble-e]

You know,

I'm sure this has been said hundreds of times already in the past few months, but to all the people that are against the war: Lets say Bush says "OK, fine. Call all the troops back home, and act like everything is fine and dandy." When the US is attacked with biological/chemical/nuclear weapons, I hope you are glad you got what you asked for.

But you know? I really don't want there to be a war either. But "living without LIBERTY isn't living" at all.
-Ed Evans, MGySgt., USMC (Ret.)

[noble-e]

This is the full e-mail that this guy has sent out. I want all of you anti-war people to read this. Thank you.- read on:

I sat in a movie theater watching "Schindler's List," asked myself, "Why
didn't the Jews fight back?"

Now I know why.

I sat in a movie theater, watching "Pearl Harbor" and asked myself, "Why
weren't we prepared?"

Now I know why.

Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the actions of evil people.

On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers allowed themselves to be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed terrorists because they did not comprehend the depth of hatred that motivated their captors

On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too
many Americans naively reject the reality that some nations are dedicated to
the dominance of others. Many political pundits, pacifists and media personnel want us to forget the carnage. They say we must focus on the bravery of the rescuers and ignore the cowardice of the killers. They implore us to understand the motivation of the perpetrators. Major television stations have announced they will assist the healing process by not replaying devastating footage of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers.

I will not be manipulated.
I will not pretend to understand.
I will not forget.
I will not forget the liberal media who abused freedom of the press to kick our country when it was vulnerable and hurting.
I will not forget that CBS anchor Dan Rather preceded President Bush's address to the nation with the snide remark, "No matter how you feel about him, he is still our president."
I will not forget that ABC TV anchor Peter Jennings questioned President Bush's motives for not returning immediately to Washington, DC and commented, "We're all pretty skeptical and cynical about Washington."
And I will not forget that ABC's Mark Halperin warned if reporters weren't informed of every little detail of this war, they aren't "likely -- nor should they be expected -- to show deference."
I will not isolate myself from my fellow Americans by pretending an attack on the USS Cole in Yemen was not an attack on the United States of America.
I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped Islamic terrorists
and their supporters with the world's most sophisticated telecommunications
equipment and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's ability to trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem communications.
I will not be appeased with pointless, quick retaliatory strikes like those perfected by the previous administration.
I will not be comforted by "feel-good, do nothing" regulations like the silly, "Have your bags been under your control?" question at the airport.
I will not be influenced by so called, "antiwar demonstrators" who exploit the right of _expression to chant anti-American obscenities.
I will not forget the moral victory handed the North Vietnamese by American war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines.
I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of pacifists who chose reassurance over reality.
I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair who told the Labor Party conference, "They have no moral inhibition on the slaughter of the innocent. If they could have murdered not 7,000 but 70,000, does anyone doubt they would have done so and rejoiced in it?
There is no compromise possible with such people, no meeting of minds, no point of understanding with such terror. Just a choice: defeat it or be defeated by it. And defeat it we must!"

I will force myself to:

-hear the weeping
-feel the helplessness
-imagine the terror
-sense the panic
-smell the burning flesh
- experience the loss
- remember the hatred.

I sat in a movie theater, watching "Private Ryan" and asked myself, "Where did they find the courage?"

Now I know.

We have no choice. Living without liberty is not living.

-- Ed Evans, MGySgt., USMC (Ret.)
Not as lean, Not as mean, But still a Marine.

[Big Andy]

Originally posted by noble-e
You know,

I'm sure this has been said hundreds of times already in the past few months, but to all the people that are against the war: Lets say Bush says "OK, fine. Call all the troops back home, and act like everything is fine and dandy." When the US is attacked with biological/chemical/nuclear weapons, I hope you are glad you got what you asked for.

I can fully relate to those sentiments, even though I may be anti-war, I don't believe that this problem should go un fixed. I think alot of pro-war people who attack the anti-war folks with this argument just don't see that we DO want the problem resolved.

Yeah, there are some old hippy radicals that want our own government to disarm and call our troops from the rest of the world in and blah blah blah. But the majority of the anti-war movement is against this war for other reasons, not just because they're pot smoking pacifist hippies. For me personally, I have seen much of the evidence that Bush uses to say we SHOULD go to war be disproved, or at least have questionable credibility. I do want to see this problem dealt with, though. I just don't think guns and bombs are the answer.

But you know? I really don't want there to be a war either. But "living without LIBERTY isn't living" at all.
-Ed Evans, MGySgt., USMC (Ret.)

Absolutely right, living without liberty isn't living at all! But we no longer have liberty with bills like the patriot acts. The 2 patriot acts effectively destroy multiple rights from the Bill of Rights. They also keep getting more out of hand with the drug war with things such as the RAVE act and other such nonsense. Eventually, they'll be able to put you away just for not turning in your pot head friend.

LIBERTY is more at risk from our own federal and local governments than it is from Saddam Hussein.

[Big Andy]

Originally posted by E-brake
To clarify I was making a point about the propiganda that the anti-war rallies buy into. The second line of that post says 10,000 people marched at the last rally. Wow big whoop, more people attended Bushe's fund raising lunchin last time he was in Dallas. Do you think he is going to listen to the 10,000 people in Austin...or the 10,000 people who support the war, and actually finance his campaign? Its all a waisted effort anyway, Bush has already clearly stated that public protest will never effect his policys, on war or anyother issue.

Good point. It does seem like a wasted effort in light of what he has said about it. But I really don't think that protests themselves ever really have any true effect on the decisions made by political figures. I think the effect they do have is very subtle and indirect, and I think they are also valuable for just getting out in public and giving a group of people a voice.

Even if George (or any other govenrment official) isn't gonna listen, it's still worthwhile to get out in the open and make a big stink if a large group of people all feel the same way about an IMPORTANT issue with the government.

I doubt anybody really thinks that you can get a political figure to reverse his thinking 180 degrees just cause you wave a few picket signs in his face. It's not about that.