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Old 04-13-03, 02:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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whats your top questions?

http://www.michiganravers.com/forums...=0&#entry79684


so post your top questions or anwsers...with research please.
 
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Old 04-13-03, 02:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Having just finished your article on 9/11 conspiracy theories
http://www.forteantimes.com/articles...002index.shtml
>, I thought I'd share with you my own peculiar relationship between the conspiracies and the events. I was one of the lead actors on a short-lived television series that aired on the Fox network in the United States. It was called The Lone Gunmen and intended as a spin-off from the popular Fox series The X-Files. The so-called Lone Gunmen are three conspiracy geeks who publish an underground newspaper named The Lone Gunman (hence our show title).

Although our series aired in the spring of 2001, we had shot the pilot episode in March 2000. The plot was fairly simple: the Lone Gunmen uncover and defeat a government conspiracy to fly a commercial jet plane into one of the towers of the World Trade Center via ground-based computer control of the jet's auto-pilot. The intention was to blame a foreign, 'terrorist' nation for the bombing, and thus encourage the US to enter into a war against it - all to guarantee weapons sales for the US military-industrial complex. In the TV episode, of course, our characters save the day in the nick of time, regaining control of the plane just as it soars over the towers.

We shot 12 more episodes over the winter of 2000-2001, and they all aired on Fox that spring, but in the end our series was not renewed for a second season. I continued to work on The X-Files, and I was in Los Angeles on 11 September, having just finished working on an episode of that show. I was supposed to fly home to Canada that very day. I was woken about 8:30 by a phone call from the limo company contracted to drive me to Los Angeles Airport (LAX). "This is your limo driver," the voice told me. "You won't be flying home today."

"Why not," I asked, groggy from sleep.

"All the airports in the US have been shut down."

It took a moment or two to process this statement. I could believe that LAX had been closed for some reason. But all the airports? In the whole country? "What? Why?"

"Some one has flown a plane into the World Trade Center."

They say that most people thought it was a joke when they first heard of the attack. You can understand why that was my first thought. Luckily I was too sleepy to laugh out loud. (Actually, I thought it was a pretty poor joke.) I can only add that once I learned the truth, I experienced an eerie terror, as if I had seen the future, and not understood it until it was too late.

Assuming the idea for flying a plane into the Twin Towers by the remote control of a secret government agency was original to our writers, it had been floating around for a year and a half at least before the actual attack. Not a lot of viewers saw our show (several million maybe saw the pilot), but I have no doubt that the idea - or cultural 'meme' - was immediately available once the shock of the attack wore off.

Of course, it also means that the idea of terrorists flying a jet into a New York landmark was not so unthinkable as it seemed in the days afterwards. As far as news items being 'scrubbed,' I think it's safe to say that our pilot, if not our entire series, will never be seen on network television anywhere. Ever. A strange, awful confluence of pulp culture and reality...

BRUCE HARWOOD
aka 'Byers' of the Lone Gunmen, Fox Broadcasting, Los Angeles <
 
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Old 04-13-03, 03:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Stuff about the seismic tracings of the collapses has been looked at in some depth by Chris Bollyn (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm) and others, but Serendipity Magnet is not Joe Middle-America's idea of an unimpeachable source. Bollyn has also written for the American Free Press, a right-wing tabloid that is descended from the old Spotlight and is generally considered anti-semitic (but more properly anti-Zionist and somewhat revisionist).

But aside from guilt-by-association, I consider Bollyn a good investigator who has seized on some of the most crucial inconsistencies in the WTC scenario and unearthed some provocative facts. I have had some training in seismology (actually took a course with Tanya Atwater, if anyone here is a Geologist) and agree that there is something anomalous about the seismic tracings.

The talk above about the fireballs is beside the point - burning fuel in air doesn't create a shockwave and would have negligable impact on the framework. The initial low-amplitude waves were just the motion transmitted to the bedrock by the plane crashes and the following "ringing" of the structures. What is hard to explain is the high-amplitude spike seen early in the wave envelope of the collapses.

The problem is that the largest signal is close to the beginning of the collapses - the big spikes below are seen ~15-20% from the beginning of the shaking:



But this is not when the strongest signal would be generated in a gravitational collapse for several reasons. There is more material moving and going faster as the collapse progresses, so the biggest signal would be expected as the debris actually hits the ground. Earlier in the collapse there is less material moving, and any shaking motions generated would not be transmitted to the bedrock as well due to damping by the structure. If we believe the progressive gravitational collapse model it would be hard to generate these sudden spikes of energy 1-2 seconds into the collapse. It would be as if the building encountered a void at that point in the structure as it collapsed, letting the upper part accelerate until it again hits the solid lower portion. But this is not what we see happen.

What we actually witnessed in both towers was not a monolithic hammer of an upper structure crushing the building below, with or without gaps. What we saw was the progressive conversion of the towers into dense clouds of free-falling debris beginning with of the tops and moving rapidly downward in an uninterrupted wave. That is why there were no big seismic spikes at the end of the collapse: there was no building left by then to "hit the gtound". Instead there was a dense slurry with some bigger pieces that carried a lot of its energy along with it as it flowed out along radiating streets.
 
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