US: Crimes Against Humanity?

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Funny how this never made it over to our ears here in the US by our media!

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...40&ItemID=1962

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this last bit was of particular interest:



Massacre in Mazar then goes to describe the treatment meted out to the remaining thousands of captives who had surrendered to the Northern Alliance and American troops. A further 3,000 prisoners were separated out from the total of 8,000 who had surrendered, and were transported to a prison compound in the town of Shibarghan.

They were shipped to Shibarghan in closed containers, lacking any ventilation. Local Afghan truck drivers were commandeered to transport between 200 and 300 prisoners in each container. One of the drivers participating in the convoy relates that an average of between 150 and 160 died in each container in the course of the trip.

An Afghan soldier who accompanied the convoy said he was ordered by an American commander to fire shots into the containers to provide air, although he knew that he would certainly hit those inside. An Afghan taxi driver reports seeing a number of containers with blood streaming from their floors.

Another witness relates that many of the 3,000 prisoners were not combatants, and some had been arrested by US soldiers and their allies and added to the group for the mere crime of speaking Pashto, a local dialect. Afghan soldiers testify that upon arriving at the prison camp at Shibarghan, surviving POWs were subjected to torture and a number were arbitrarily killed by American troops.

One Afghan, shown in battle fatigues, says of the treatment of prisoners in the Shibarghan camp: "I was a witness when an American soldier broke one prisoner's neck and poured acid on others. The Americans did whatever they wanted. We had no power to stop them."

Another Afghan soldier states, "They cut off fingers, they cut tongues, they cut their hair and cut their beards. Sometimes they did it for pleasure; they took the prisoners outside and beat them up and then returned them to the prison. But sometimes they were never returned and they disappeared, the prisoner disappeared. I was there."

Another Afghan witness alleges that, in order to avoid detection by satellite cameras, American officers demanded the drivers take their containers full of dead and living victims to a spot in the desert and dump them. Two of the Afghan civilian truck drivers confirm that they witnessed the dumping of an estimated 3,000 prisoners in the desert.

According to one of the drivers, while 30 to 40 American soldiers stood by, those prisoners still living were shot and left in the desert to be eaten by dogs. The final harrowing scenes of the film feature a panorama of bones, skulls and pieces of clothing littering the desert.

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Originally posted by scruffymike
I think the only crime against humanity that american forces have done is that oasama bin ladens fucking head isnt impaled on a sharp stick for the world to see.

, but thats just me.

Hmm yeah that is just you.

[Element4040]

The last bit is totally funny and ludicrous at the same time. Do you people read or pay any attention to history. That story is false, it is a retread of what the Taliban did to the Northern alliance solders before we even entered the conflict. They just changed the Taliban to the US. Duh.

The sad thing is the story is the same almost word for word except US has replaced Taliban.

You = teh fail....... try again.

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Originally posted by Element4040
The last bit is totally funny and ludicrous at the same time. Do you people read or pay any attention to history. That story is false, it is a retread of what the Taliban did to the Northern alliance solders before we even entered the conflict. They just changed the Taliban to the US. Duh.

The sad thing is the story is the same almost word for word except US has replaced Taliban.

You = teh fail....... try again.

I never read the other article, so I can't say whether or not you = teh fail or not.

Could you link me to it please?

[Element4040]

It's not one article, it's history, it's fact. It was all over the place when we went into Afghanistan. That was 2 or 3 years ago now.

I don't have any specific links cause it was so old. But I am sure a search on the Taliban would provide sufficient information on their tactics and abuses of Prisoners.

[Krash]

Originally posted by Infrared
Hmm yeah that is just you.

seconded.

[Leo]

Um, I think Element4040 just pwned this thread.

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=13540

http://www.rawa.fancymarketing.net/s-mazar.htm

http://search.cnn.com/cnn/search?sou...+mazar+taliban

ZMag = teh fail!

[Element4040]

But I do have one apology to make. I had it backwards because I said the Taliban commited the atrocities, when in fact it's the other way around. The Northern Alliance committed these acts against the Taliban.

[Leo]

Originally posted by Element4040
But I do have one apology to make. I had it backwards because I said the Taliban commited the atrocities, when in fact it's the other way around. The Northern Alliance committed these acts against the Taliban.

Yeah, I noticed that too...I guess you rent-to-pwn this thread.

[Element4040]

Heheheh

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Originally posted by Element4040
It's not one article, it's history, it's fact. It was all over the place when we went into Afghanistan. That was 2 or 3 years ago now.

I don't have any specific links cause it was so old. But I am sure a search on the Taliban would provide sufficient information on their tactics and abuses of Prisoners.

I'm not defending the Taliban or their actions (i'm looking for these facts by the way), but the question remains for our treatment of these POWs.

This piece of news of the US atrocities have indeed spread world-wide, making headlines in countries around the world.

I tried to weed through the all the countless stories massacre by US troops on Taliban POWs, and I did find this....it sheds a new light on things, but not that what you said. Check it out.

Here's the article it's from:
http://www.e-ariana.com/ariana/earia...0?OpenDocument



"The consequences of the U.S. military's weak war crimes doctrine were apparent in Afghanistan. U.S. Special Forces and CIA officers were actively involved in the battle to wrest the city of Kunduz from the Taliban, and they participated in the surrender negotiations. U.S. military and intelligence personnel interviewed the captured fighters at Sheberghan prison and other detention facilities, selecting some for further investigation at a U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. But they left virtually all other responsibility for the Taliban POWs in the Northern Alliance's hands.

The result was an atrocity. Northern Alliance commanders allied with Gen. Abdul Rashid Dostum packed the surrendered Taliban members into closed container trucks, where hundreds died of suffocation. Thousands of surviving POWs were crammed into prison cells designed to hold one-tenth the number. Water for 3,000 men came from a single rusty spigot, sanitation was grossly inadequate and food and medical care were minimal. Deaths from dysentery and exposure were common.

In the Afghan theater, the Northern Alliance fighters were agents of the United States. Until the Americans resurrected it, the alliance was a spent force sequestered in less than 10% of Afghan territory. But with American air power, financing, intelligence, equipment, training and direction -- and U.S. Special Forces at its side -- the Northern Alliance defeated the Taliban.

The U.S. did not delegate to the Northern Alliance the task of winning the war against the Taliban. It did, apparently, delegate responsibility in one realm: complying with Geneva Convention obligations to treat captured combatants humanely.

If ever a fighting force was more unsuited to the task, it was the Northern Alliance warriors, with their 20-year history of executing surrendered or captured combatants, and torturing, raping and killing noncombatants.

Moreover, the Northern Alliance had suffered cruelly at the hands of the Taliban, which had its own record of torture and killing. Reprisals by the victorious Northern Alliance should have been anticipated. When they occurred, the United States turned a blind eye."

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Originally posted by Element4040
But I do have one apology to make. I had it backwards because I said the Taliban commited the atrocities, when in fact it's the other way around. The Northern Alliance committed these acts against the Taliban.

You beat me to it, hehe.