LSD turns 60

[per1sh]

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...172718635.html


"I took what I then thought to be a very small amount, namely 25 milligrams . Then it all became clear."
-al hofmann

[KiloWatts]

with 25 milligrams, I'm sure it all became clear for about A WEEK.

I was actually thinking about celebrating this holiday by rededicating myself to entheogenic studies. There's a conference coming up in Cali at the end of May which would do many of us quite well. http://www.mindstates.org/ for more information.


*sigh*


Good to hear our favorite Uncle is back in town these days.

The dosage mentioned in the article is wrong. 25 mg of LSD is more than double the lethal (LD-50) dosage. I assume it is 25 ug (Microgram) which is 0,025 mg – a light dosage.

Anyway, I just got back from Basel, Switzerland where I got the honor to celebrate the 60 years birthday of LSD in grand psychedelic style http://www.60yearsoflsd.ch/party/party.html. Too bad I missed a great GOA rave in Hamburg Germany, while I was there for business. There are great LSD celebration parties all over Europe right now if you’re into psychedelic/goa trance.

Happy birthday

Originally posted by technoboy
The dosage mentioned in the article is wrong. 25 mg of LSD is more than double the lethal (LD-50) dosage. I assume it is 25 ug (Microgram) which is 0,025 mg – a light dosage.

There is no lethal dosage for LSD-25 that I have found. Please post the resource you found the LD-50 from.

it might not kill you if you took too much but it will make you turn into a giant orange.

[KiloWatts]

Yeah from what I've read there is no lethal dose of lsd. There is simply a threshold, and once you pass that threshold, anything more you take of the drug simply does no good and is quickly washed out of your system.

LSD isn't the door... LSD just OPENS the door.

Originally posted by E-brake
There is a lethal dosage, i foget what it is exactly, but i read about it in one of the articles reguarding the LSD Elephant experament when one of the leading LSD researchers tried LSD on a Elephant in the OKC zoo and it fell over dead.

While that did actually happen, it was never able to be duplicated. There was no conclusive evidence that it was the LSD that caused the death or if it was something else. One isolated incident is never enough to base a theory off of. Just like the strychnine myth.

[KiloWatts]

Now, lsd could possibly provide one with the possibility of living or dying, and the person could choose death if they wanted to and leave everything behind. But it wouldn't be forced... it would be a choice....

I guess I'm trying to say.... the elephant had a choice, maaan. *cough*

Well shit...he probably just gained the greater consciousness and realized what the FUCK am I doing in a ZOO!?

If I were him I'd rather be dead than have millions of dumb human kids staring at me all day wishing I was eating peanuts.

LD-50 for LSD is 12 mg or 12,000 ug (although no concrete data on humans is available). But I doubt anyone would survive 25 mg of LSD, and if they do survive he or she would probably end up with an irreversible coma and die later anyway. Available resources:

http://www.erowid.org
http://www.lycaeum.org

Also it is a very good idea to learn to measure LSD dosages in ug (micrograms) and not mg (milligrams) in order to avoid mistakes like the article, that could cost a person’s life.

Albert Hofmann took 25 ug of LSD without knowing it during his tests (he wouldn’t be alive today (he is 97 now) if he took 25 mg). His famous bicycle tripping experience is what you get with a light dosage of 25 ug. He later tried a heavy dosage of 400 ug, which was a complete different tripping experience, very frightening throughout the trip, but beautiful during the “coming down” phase as described in his paper.

Either way, LSD should be legal and I know that many experts think so as well. LSD is just an integral part of psychedelic music, art, and culture. Nothing comes close to LSD experiences, not even the magic mushroom.

[KiloWatts]

I've always wanted to know what would happen if I was unknowingly dosed with LSD and entered a trip with no explanation.

I also wonder if Mr. Hofmann did some ridiculous things on that bike ride home, like stop at a grocery store and talk nonsense to the clerks, or get off his bike, stand very still, and stare at the sky for 2 hours... I'd love to hear a detailed description of his very first trip.

From http://leda.lycaeum.org/Documents/LSD_FAQ.8751.shtml

DANGERS:

Purely psychological hazards, not harmful to body. May release latent psychosis or exacerbate depression, leading to irrational behavior. There is also a danger of foolish or incautious behavior, e.g, misjudging distances or thinking one can fly. Physical overdose is not a hazard, though one may easily ingest more than one may be able to handle psychologically.

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Because the "LSD psychosis" is not distinguishable from non-drug- induced psychosis, we have reasonable evidence to conclude that LSD was not the sole cause of psychosis. Instead, it would seem that the drug brought on the problems in vulnerable individuals. Interestingly, the rate of parental alcoholism was found to be much higher in LSD patients than in other patients or in the general population by one study (Vardy and Kay, Arch-Gen-Psych, 1983 40(8): 877-83).


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Lethal (toxic) doses of LSD are conservatively several tens of thousands of times as much as a normal dose, making it (in the toxic sense) one of the safest drugs known. See section on Pharmacology for description of bodily side-effects.

The LD50 for psilocybin (active ingredient in mushrooms) is 275 mg/kg i.v. in mice. Of course, it would take lots more p.o. to kill someone.

The reported LD50 values for LSD are 46, 16.5, 0.3 mg/kg I.V. for mice, rats, and rabbits, respectively. Again, it's hard to accurately translate these numbers to oral values.

Note that an average human dose is 0.001 mg/kg, ie, 1 microgram/kg, ie, 1 part per billion by weight.


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Never take any drugs while pregnant. Best to be prudent.


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I would have you note that this is from the very website that you posted (www.lycaeum.org) and I've already looked through erowid. I still haven't found anything saying that 12.5 mg of LSD-25 would kill a 200 pound man.

And I do believe Hoffman did document is second trip, the one where he intentionally dosed up.

*sniff-sniff*
i miss Uncle Cid. He's been gone a lonnng time.
oh when will he ever return? :\