Crazy conspiracy theories or no??

Okay i don't care if something like this has been posted before, cause dammit i'm posting it now. I ran into this article while i was looking at news paper websites around the wordl, this particular article came from the london daily:
~*clicky*~

Opposed by everyone in the world who was not bought off, the illegal invasion of Iraq was undertaken for many reasons - the imminent replacement of the dollar by the euro as the world's primary currency, the tempting lure of untapped oil reserves, the desire to consolidate U.S./Israeli military hegemony over a strategically vital region - but the most important reason was to further obscure questions about the awesome deception staged by the American government that has come to be known as 9/11.
9/11 was a hoax. This is no longer a wild conspiracy assertion; it is a fact, supported by thousands of other verifiable facts, foremost of which are:
- The attacks of 9/11 COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED without the willful failure of the American defense system. In Washington, Air Force pilots demanded to fly but were ordered to stand down.
Yet instead of prosecuting the president and military leaders for this unprecedented dereliction of duty, military leaders were promoted and the president was praised for presiding over a defense system that suspiciously failed the most crucial test in its history.
None of the deaths would have happened without the deliberate unplugging of America's air defenses.
Planes that lose contact with control towers are usually intercepted by fighter jets inside of ten minutes, as the incident with the golfer's plane a few months earlier so clearly demonstrated.
Yet on 9/11, the jetliners that struck New York were allowed to proceed unmolested for more than a half-hour, and the plane that supposedly crashed in Washington was not intercepted for more than an hour and forty minutes after it was widely known that four planes had been hijacked.
- The twin towers could not have collapsed as a result of burning jet fuel. Most of that fuel was consumed on impact. In the south tower, most of the fuel was spilled outside the building. Heat caused by burning jet fuel does not reach temperatures needed to melt steel.
What does stand out as particularly suspicious and still unexplained is that fires raged out of control beneath THREE of the collapsed towers for ONE HUNDRED DAYS, clearly indicating the presence of some kind of substance utilized in the demolition of the structures.
The Twin Towers did not fall because of plane impacts or fires. Most likely explosives were placed on structural supports in the towers (as was done in Oklahoma City), and these controlled implosions snuffed out the lives of three thousand people.
- FBI Director Robert Mueller insisted officials had no idea this kind of attack could happen when in fact the FBI had been investigating the possibility of EXACTLY this kind of attack for almost TEN YEARS.
Numerous previous attempts at using planes as weapons, intimate knowledge of terror plans called Project Bojinka, and knowledge of suspicious characters attending flight schools who were being monitored by the FBI make his utterance a clear lie on its face.
In the weeks before 9/11, the U.S. received warnings from all over the world that an event just like this was about to happen, but FBI investigations into suspected terrorists were suppressed and those warnings were deliberately disregarded.
- The names of the alleged hijackers, all ostensibly Muslims, were released to the public only hours after the attacks, despite Mueller saying we had no knowledge this would happen. This is an impossible twist of logic. If he didn't know of a plan to strike buildings with planes, how would he know the names of the hijackers?
Various artifacts were discovered in strategic places to try to confirm the government's story, but these have all been dismissed as suspicious planting of evidence. Since that time several names on that list have turned up alive and well, living in Arab countries.
Yet no attempt has ever been made to update the list. And why were none of these names on the airlines' passenger lists?
- Much like the invasion of Iraq, the anthrax attacks were designed to deflect attention from unanswered 9/11 questions in the patriotic pandemonium that followed the tragedy.
In addition to making large amounts of money for the president's father and his friends from the hasty sale of inefficient drugs to a panicked populace, the investigation into these killings was abruptly halted when the trail of evidence led straight to the government's door, and has not been reopened.
The anthrax attacks also amped up the climate of fear and deflected attention from the passage of the government's repressive Patriot Act.
- The Patriot Act was presented in the days after the tragedy supposedly as a response to it, yet it was clear that this heinous act, drafted to nullify provisions for freedom in the U.S. Constitution, was put together long before 9/11. In addition, testimony by Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) revealed that most members of Congress were compelled to vote for the bill without even reading it.
This was a vote to eliminate the Constitutional Bill of Rights, which has defined American freedom for 200 years, and it was accomplished when legislators voted for the bill without even reading it.
- The invasion of Afghanistan was presented as an attempt to pursue the alleged perpetrators of 9/11, yet it had been discussed for years prior to the tragedy and actually planned in the months before the attacks on New York and Washington.
Statements by Zbigniew Brzezinski and the Republican-written Project for a New American Century have stressed that America needed a formidable enemy to accomplish its aggressive geopolitical aims.
The supposed enemy we attacked in Afghanistan was a diverse group of men from all over the world who were initially recruited, encouraged and supported by the American CIA.
- The hole in the Pentagon was not made by a jumbo jet. Damage to the building was simply not consistent with the size of the hole nor the absence of debris. At the supposed point of impact, a whole bank of windows remained unbroken and there were no marks on the lawn.
No airplane debris (except what was planted on the lawn) nor remains of passengers were ever found.
- The president has admitted that he continued to read a story to schoolchildren in a Florida school for 30 minutes after being informed that two planes had struck New York and that the nation was under attack. He has never explained this puzzling behavior, nor how he saw the first plane hit.
It was never televised, only recorded by a French crew filming firemen in New York. In that film, the plane in question does not appear to be a passenger airliner.
- The plane in Pennsylvania was shot down and broke apart in midair. No other explanation can account for the wreckage, which was spread over a six-mile area, or the eyewitness accounts that describe debris falling from the sky.
- Cellphone calls cannot be made from airliners in flight that are not close to the ground. As research by Professor A. K. Dewdney has shown, the emotional conversations between hijacked passengers and others would not have been possible under conditions that existed at that moment.
These calls were cynical fabrications, exploiting the distraught emotions of those who lost loved ones.
- Radio communications from firefighters on the upper floors of the Trade Center towers clearly indicate that fires were under control and the structure was in no danger of collapsing.
These are merely a few of the deliberately false statements made by U.S. officials about 9/11. They provide crystal clear evidence that our president, his staff, and many legislators should be indicted on charges of treason, obstruction of justice and mass murder.
Above all, these evil men should be removed from their positions of authority before they implement more of their moneymaking murder schemes like the one they are now perpetrating on the innocent people of Iraq.
Otherwise, we face a future of endless war abroad and merciless repression at home.
Consider just a few more of the other unanswered questions from among the thousands of unexplained loose ends that all point to 9/11 being an inside job.
- Who benefited from the suspiciously high numbers of put options purchased prior to September 11 for shares in companies whose stock prices subsequently plummeted, on the supposition that whoever was behind the hijacking was also behind most of the purchases of these put options?
And what was the role of the new executive director of the CIA, Buzzy Krongard, who handled these transactions?
- Why was the debris from the collapsed Twin Towers removed from the site with no forensic examination?
Why was almost all of it sold to scrap merchants and shipped abroad where it would not be available for scientific examination?
- Why does the government refuse to release any transcripts of communications or any records at all relating to signals of any form transmitted by those jets?

- Why did so many people, from San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown to many employees of companies in the World Trade Center who failed to come to work that day, know in advance that something bad was going to happen on Sept. 11, 2001?
- Why do all the major U.S. media continue to act as if none of these questions is legitimate or relevant?
Today, millions of people around the world are protesting the criminal destruction of the nation of Iraq.
But these protests won't change the number of minds necessary to stop America's criminal madmen from continuing with their genocidal aim of enslaving the entire world.
What WILL stop them is spreading the realization that President George W. Bush and his billionaire accomplices in the oil industry perpetrated 9/11 as an excuse to begin the militarization of America for the purpose of world conquest.
History has shown all too clearly the deceived American people WILL support the destruction of faraway countries on phony pretexts of defending so-called freedom.
Thus the needless wars continue. Right now we watch high-tech weapons slaughter the defenseless people of Iraq.
Soon it will be Iran, Syria, Colombia, Venezuela, North Korea, Egypt, Libya, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and who knows where else. All these misguided atrocities will be possible because of the hoax known as 9/11.
But the American people will not - and cannot - tolerate leaders who kill our own people merely to invent a pretext - the war on terror - to go around killing anyone they like.
If the American people DO tolerate such an insane strategy, then they clearly do not deserve to survive as a nation or a people.

That article is funny.

btw heres a related article I posted awhile back....

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero...erreurs_en.htm

In order for that article to be even somewhat correct there would have to be hundreds if not thousands of people in on this little conspiracy.

That right there is ridiculous.

NOt only that but the amount of coordination and attention to detail this so called conspiracy entails would require some serious effort by the US. Considering we cant even control a market in Mogadishu let alone be able to find a deposed dictator in an area the size of texas........well that just doesnt compute.

For every "assumption" and account being put forth in that article as facts there are different accounts by witnesses contradicting what that article is saying.

I thought it was interesting...and frankly i refuse to belive that that whole thing the massive loss of lives is just some big evil plan.


Besides, he did not back up any of his accusations w/ fact, like the ones about bombs being placed at key structural places in the towers, etc.

dont listen to blame, sj..he doesn't know what he's talking about..yes 9-11 was a hoax, yes not that many people needed to be involved to get the job done....there is alot of research i have done to try and convince myself that the government didn't do it..but they did..consider this for a moment..when there is a earthquake...it is measured on a sismagraph(sp?)

it measures tremors felt in the earth...on that day when would of picked something up?

when the planes hit?

when the buildins landed on the ground?


nope.the biggest reading and it was a sharp spike mind you happened right..and i mean right before the buildings fell


notice how the buildings fell uniformly? meaning that EVERY single support beam had to have burned thru at the EXACT same time for this to happen or else we would have seen some of the building slide off...however the building fell as if there was no support underneath it at all...controlled demolishing?

i have also looked up the heat at which jet fuel burns...the metal used to make the airplanes..etc,etc,etc

none of it adds up..two excellent source's of research that must be looked at in order to make a informed thought about what happened that day is found here......

http://www.thepowerhour.com/pentagon-911.htm


this site has alot of info, and source's,links,etc.

http://www.911pi.com/

and this is the people's investigation of 9-11


there are some many holes in the government's story about 9-11 they could be fishnet stockings

remember that NO ONE could of seen an attack like this coming in there wildest dreams....unless of course they saw the pilot of the new fox show by the three guys from the x-files(forgot the shows name) the show came out in early 2000 and the first show was about terrorists hijacking a plane by remote, and flying it into the wtc buildings....interesting

of course like your news report said sj...these planes were left flying around in our airspace for along time.meaning that the faa and norad didn't follow standerd sop that has been in place for 30+ years..as was pointed out with the golfers plane...then you have to understand that taking a course in single prop planes does not make you a 757 flight pilot...the way they flew those planes you might of thought they were top gun pilots huh

next we go to part in the government story about how these ultra fanatics of islam..went out the night before drinking and womanizing(both against islam) and then left there bibles in the bar.........lolol....now thats a islam fanatic...lol

it has been proving that the government has done and thought about using terror against it's own citizens for the right to go to war..in case you didn't know

do a net search for operation northwoods or the northwoods document

it goes alot deeper then you think and there IS alot of people in on this stuff....if you can i'll find you the download for the movie 9-11 the road to tryanny....and what do you know..here it is.right click.save target as...it's a two hour movie but i've checked most of the facts in it, as well can you......be afraid brother


http://207.230.15.115/911TheRoadToTyranny.asf


the guy who made this movie has a site called infowars.com

watch this movie then check his site everyday.....it's funny when you can see it all coming together

sorry, wrong link to the movie..you can find it here under downloads...audio/video files....enjoy.


http://100777.com/


then goto high res by cobalt.com and just click on high res..it will stream it to your windows media player.make sure you have winmedia 9

[johnny861]

Kinda silly really...

With all the past legislation restricting spy agencies and funding cutbacks and downsizing, people still expect this government to know everything all the time about nefarious things to come... now that we're super beefed up on funding, CIA has license to kill 'terrorists' and homeland security is established, the big brother threat is back...

Make up your minds fuckers!


In all fairness, I think communication is a big problem in all of this...

we can cut funding because cia funds itself with all the drugs it deals... i'm not sure i agree with this version of the story but I think it's pretty well proven the US gvernment was repeatedly warned about 9/11 and could have chosen to do more to stop it. For some reason they wanted it to happen...

Originally posted by superkool
dont listen to blame, sj..he doesn't know what he's talking about..yes 9-11 was a hoax, yes not that many people needed to be involved to get the job done....there is alot of research i have done to try and convince myself that the government didn't do it..but they did..

What sort of research did you happen to do, superkool?

Have you guys ever seen a controlled demolition or implosion of a building? There is no way in fucken hell those two towers fell or even crumbled the way any other high rise being set for demolition would have.
There were no implosions near or around the bottom nor in the middle. Both Buildings caved in on themselves.
Do you have any idea how many devices you would have to rig to those two buildings in order for them to fall like that AND WITHOUT A HINT OF AN EXPLOSION OTHER THAN SOME READINGS OFF A SEISMOGRAPH?
Documentaries on how the towers were built and what materials were used to build them will show you these werent exactly twin fortresses.
They were giant erector sets nothing less nothing more.
You guys are talking about rigging hundreds if not thousands of explosives to TWO large buildings, without anyone noticing anything and setting them off without AGAIN anyone noticing anything other than several tons off the top comming down in on itself.....

I'm not denying the possibility other things were also at fault and played in the terrorists favor but again.......this shit happens all the time.
How many times is airport security comprimised?
How many times have agents driven bomb laden trucks up to federal buildings?

Come on guys.....you guys are putting one and one together and comming up with 5.

peace

[johnny861]

Originally posted by reazon1
we can cut funding because cia funds itself with all the drugs it deals... i'm not sure i agree with this version of the story but I think it's pretty well proven the US gvernment was repeatedly warned about 9/11 and could have chosen to do more to stop it. For some reason they wanted it to happen...

I doubt it... Look at bombings in the past 10 years... and all the warnings... embassy bombings, OKC bombing, Atlanta...

You hang around spots long enough, you can figure things out...

I've lived in the immediate downtown area for 2 years now and with the exception of the federal building, it amazes me how relaxed the security is with the buildings around here...

especially the underground parking lots... my friends and I bike the area and various underground parkinglots without a single security gaurd stopping us...


The only time we got busted was when we biked that red highrise parkinglot, that Texas healthclub place...

when we got to the top two gaurds came out and escorted us down and gave us a warning and said their main concern is people jumping off the building to committ suicide...

This is all after 9/11.....


Not that I ever would, but I could prolly laid out a pretty plan of action to detonate the basements to several buildings including the BOFA building...


And I bet the only tip off would be people from this board cause I posted this message... a raver website? ya think it's credible? I dunno...

What sort of research did you happen to do, superkool?

alot.but lets start with this...


http://www.insightmag.com/news/438504.html

this news report talks about how 6 of the terrorists that did 9-11 are alive and well...how did that happen?


here is all the info you need to know about the ang on that day..


http://911pi.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=539...1&m=8646054742

want to see just how bad we fucked up before 9-11?

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t...before911.html

now lets look at how bad we fucked up on 9-11

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t.../dayof911.html

now here is some of the sismic stuff i was saying.......

Loizeaux said, “If I were to bring the towers down, I would put explosives in the basement to get the weight of the building to help collapse the structure.”

SEISMIC ‘SPIKES’

Seismographs at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded strange seismic activity on Sept. 11 that has still not been explained.

While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse.

The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31.

However, the Palisades seismic record shows that—as the collapses began—a huge seismic “spike” marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the Earth.

These unexplained “spikes” in the seismic data lend credence to the theory that massive explosions at the base of the towers caused the collapses.

A “sharp spike of short duration” is how seismologist Thorne Lay of University of California at Santa Cruz told AFP an underground nuclear explosion appears on a seismograph.

The two unexplained spikes are more than 20 times the amplitude of the other seismic waves associated with the collapses and occurred in the East-West seismic recording as the buildings began to fall.

Experts cannot explain why the seismic waves peaked before the towers actually hit the ground.

Asked about these spikes, seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam, director of Columbia University’s Center for Hazards and Risk Research told AFP, “This is an element of current research and discussion. It is still being investigated.”

Lerner-Lam told AFP that a 10-fold increase in wave amplitude indicates a 100-fold increase in energy released. These “short-period surface waves,” reflect “the interaction between the ground and the building foundation,” according to a report from Columbia Earth Institute.

“The seismic effects of the collapses are comparable to the explosions at a gasoline tank farm near Newark on Jan. 7, 1983,” the Palisades Seismology Group reported on Sept. 14, 2001.

One of the seismologists, Won-Young Kim, told AFP that the Palisades seismographs register daily underground explosions from a quarry 20 miles away.

These blasts are caused by 80,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate and cause local earthquakes between Magnitude 1 and 2. Kim said the 1993 truck-bomb at the WTC did not register on the seismographs because it was “not coupled” to the ground.

“Only a small fraction of the energy from the collapsing towers was converted into ground motion,” Lerner-Lam said. “The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small.”

Last November, Lerner-Lam said: “During the collapse, most of the energy of the falling debris was absorbed by the towers and the neighboring structures, converting them into rubble and dust or causing other damage—but not causing significant ground shaking.”

Evidently, the energy source that shook the ground beneath the towers was many times more powerful than the total potential energy released by the falling mass of the towers. The question is: What was that energy source?

While steel is often tested for evidence of explosions, despite numerous eyewitness reports of explosions in the towers, the engineers involved in the FEMA-sponsored building assessment did no such tests.


-------------go ahead and read this where the cia admits it knew it was gonna happen-----


http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...ciaadmits.html


-------need more info on why this couldn't of happened? read on------

http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2002/08/69254.php


i of course could go on and on..for example.....where are the airport videos of the terrorists? i've done alot of searching...only two were caught on video......going from portland to boston........but please tell us how 17 people went thru a airport and didn't get caught on video..please, i'm dying to hear this one.

Have you guys ever seen a controlled demolition or implosion of a building? There is no way in fucken hell those two towers fell or even crumbled the way any other high rise being set for demolition would have.
There were no implosions near or around the bottom nor in the middle. Both Buildings caved in on themselves.
Do you have any idea how many devices you would have to rig to those two buildings in order for them to fall like that AND WITHOUT A HINT OF AN EXPLOSION OTHER THAN SOME READINGS OFF A SEISMOGRAPH?

good question, and since your not an expert.lets find some thoughts from someone who is............................


Van Romero, vice president for research at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology says the collapse of the twin towers resembled those of controlled implosions used in planned demolition.

"My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse," Romero said.

A demolition expert, Romero is a former director of the Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center at Tech, which studies explosive materials and the effects of explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures.

He said he and Denny Peterson, vice president for administration and finance, were en route to an office building near the Pentagon to discuss defense-funded research programs at Tech. Romero told the Albequerque Journal that he based his opinion on video aired on national television broadcasts.

The detonations could have been caused by a small amount of explosive put in more than two points in each of the towers, he said. "It could have been a relatively small amount of explosives placed in strategic points," Romero said.

BUILDING COLLAPSE SHOCKS
WORLD TRADE CENTER
ENGINEER, ARCHITECT

"I DESIGNED IT FOR A 707 HIT"
DETROIT, Sept. 11 (UPI) -- Lee Robertson, the project's structural engineer, addressed the problem of terrorism on high-rises at a conference in Frankfurt, Germany, LAST WEEK (!!!), Chicago engineer Joseph Burns told the Chicago Tribune. Burns said Robertson told the conference, "I designed it for a (Boeing)707 to hit it."
UPI REPORT

DETROIT, Sept. 11 (UPI) -- A lead engineer who worked on New York's World Trade Center Towers expressed shock Tuesday that the 110-story lanmarks in Lower Manhattan collapsed after each tower was struck by a hijacked passenger jetliner.

------wow.......so it was built to withstand a airplane hit, per the guy who built it..interesting

You guys are talking about rigging hundreds if not thousands of explosives to TWO large buildings,

again this is another wish i was intelligent statement......they could of and would of been placed in the basement...you would of never saw anything....maybe you dont remember the 93 wtc bombing, when the guys parked a truck in the underground garage? it was said then that if the guys would of parked like ten feet closer, that they would of brought down the building..what also might interest you is that the bomb they set off that day....didn't get picked up anywhere near the readings did on 9-11 sismic activity

also a fun little tid-bit...the fbi knew about the 93 wtc bombing and even had a agent help build the bomb..............maybe you didn't know huh? well here's some education for your ass then.................


Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.

The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F. B. I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said.

The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings that Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as being in a far better position than previously known to foil the February 26th bombing of New York City's tallest towers.

The explosion left six people dead, more than a thousand people injured, and damages in excess of half-a-billion dollars. Four men are now on trial in Manhattan Federal Court [on charges of involvement] in that attack.

Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian Army officer, was used by the Government [of the United States] to penetrate a circle of Muslim extremists who are now charged in two bombing cases: the World Trade Center attack, and a foiled plot to destroy the United Nations, the Hudson River tunnels, and other New York City landmarks. He is the crucial witness in the second bombing case, but his work for the Government was erratic, and for months before the World Trade Center blast, he was feuding with th F. B. I.

---------now of course the government would never use terror on it's own citizens would they? i mean they wouldn't even think about it right? wrong again friends...look for your self.................


On April 24, 2001 the Baltimore Sun and ABC News reported on a shocking, declassified Pentagon document, titled Operation Northwoods. In Operation Northwoods the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff called for hijacking jet airliners, attacking US military bases, blowing up US ships and wounding civilians in Miami, Florida and Washington, DC using paramilitary sniper teams. Page eight of the formerly Top Secret Pentagon plan stated that “casualty lists in US Newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.” The opening paragraph in the Baltimore Sun read “US leaders proposed in ’62 a secret plan to commit terrorist acts against Americans and blame Cuba to create a pretext for invasion.”


The Northwoods Document spells out the US Government's plan to frame innocent people for the shootings and bombings that the US Government was preparing to commit. Page 9 of the Northwoods Document states that after the Government carried out shootings and bombings in Washington DC that "the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government."
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


do your own research, ask yourself..does any of this make ANY sense?

watch that movie i gave you the link to....check out his facts....then come back and try to bring facts into it...not just some oh i dont believe shit...........shows us the proof......plug the fucking holes


of course i could also find government lackeys to say that of course the twin towers were built like shit and a fire could melt all the support away..but then why would the 2nd tower hit..with less jet fuel...be the one to fall first?

cause lets be claer on one thing...the planes did not bring the towers down..if you find anyone that says the planes and not the fire melting the supports was what brought down the wtc's......post a link up.