Attention Dropzone

[Ryan]

Just curious to hear your opinion of the war in Iraq and what you think was the general consensus among the soldiers who were stationed there with you. There's been a lot of discussion here about the politics behind it, but I haven't actually seen your official stance put into words. My brother's at Balad and he seems torn between the political manipulation and a sense of moral duty brought on by the atrocities he's witnessed in that country. Anyway, one side of the media would have us believe that all of you guys were excited to be there and eager to blow shit up, while the other side depicts you all as victims of a lying regime. What say you on this matter?

Well. Hmm

Most of us (the unit im in) disagreed with the war. We felt it was unjustified and unnecessary. We hoped level heads would have prevailed, and inspections begin again. No sane person, even soldiers want a war, especially the vets in the unit.
When the war began we knew what we had to do, and we did it. When we deployed we were taking bets on who would desert. We only had one, a sergent we didnt think would.
After that first SCUD hit, the world changed for us. We realised that this wasnt a game and it was real.
Well, once the reports of the atrocities came in, and I saw some of the victims myself, the war for oil changed. We were doing a service to the victims of a bully and tyrant.
Those of us who know of Bush's history and motives justify what we did by thinking of the children, the Kurds, the foriegn workers he hired than executed so he wouldnt have to pay.
We justify the war in our minds as a rightous cause o freedom hidden within the shell of an asshole with a vindictive streak wanting his own little empire.

We hate bush and rumsfeld. a lot of us adore powell and want him in charge. we want to come home from Iraq, we dont want war anymore.

[USAcommitteeX]

you hate your commander and chief? you should hate the one who caused all this shit Saddam! I have a cousin who's been living in the tora bora area of Afghanistan and he loves it! Everyone who signs up for military service, knows what could happen, complaning about what your doing in Iraq isn' that like violation of code of conduct?, a good firend of mine who serves in the IDF, refused his reserve duty during operation defensive shield in the "terrortories" so he spent some time in prison out in a tent in the desert he got what he deserves and he knows it
yes war sucks, people die , honor their memory, we pull out of iraq now , it will be all for nothing, and i know someone will ask, " why don't you join up" when i finish at bu then its ots for me
viet nam all over again, we might have done better if 200,000 soldiers weren't smoking dope all day long

[Dionysos]

Originally posted by USAcommitteeX
you hate your commander and chief? you should hate the one who caused all this shit Saddam! I have a cousin who's been living in the tora bora area of Afghanistan and he loves it! Everyone who signs up for military service, knows what could happen, complaning about what your doing in Iraq isn' that like violation of code of conduct?, a good firend of mine who serves in the IDF, refused his reserve duty during operation defensive shield in the "terrortories" so he spent some time in prison out in a tent in the desert he got what he deserves and he knows it
yes war sucks, people die , honor their memory, we pull out of iraq now , it will be all for nothing, and i know someone will ask, " why don't you join up" when i finish at bu then its ots for me
viet nam all over again, we might have done better if 200,000 soldiers weren't smoking dope all day long

Wow, you're a nutbag.

Ideally the entire armed forces would agree on the actions being taken, but that will never happen because of one inevitable failing point: the military is made of humans. Humans - Americans in this case - often have their own ideas about what should or shouldn't be done. This doesn't mean that the soldiers won't do their duty(with few exceptions) and perform to their capabilities by any means, but it's not a requirement for them to be gung ho about battle for them to fight. This is why I don't pay much mind to posts by superkool that show a blog or forum entry by a soldier or their parents objecting to the war, because it is - or should be - a forgone conclusion that going to war will never be a unanimous decision. There will always be soldiers that don't want to fight and parents that don't want their children in harm's way. That's normal human behavior, and to be expected. Anyone that thinks dissenting opinion about this war from soldiers and their families is an abnormal occurence doesn't understand that it's par for the course.

I respect Dropzone for his willingness to speak his mind. He didn't want to go over there and fight, but he did his duty. That's what a soldier does, they fight. When you enlist in the military, your opinions and desires become secondary to the military's, that's how it works and everyone that signs up is (or fucking should be) aware of this. When you go into the army, you should go in knowing full well you may have to put your training to use one day. If any of you have dads that were grunts in Vietnam, this would be a good topic to talk with them about. My dad was a private in the Marines, and we've had extensive conversations on the subject.

Regardless I appreciate Dropzone for what he did, and I thank him for his service to the country. He has the right to his opinion just as much as the next person, whether it goes against the military's opinion or not.

I'll end my rambling now.

[darki]

Originally posted by USAcommitteeX
you hate your commander and chief? you should hate the one who caused all this shit Saddam! I have a cousin who's been living in the tora bora area of Afghanistan and he loves it! Everyone who signs up for military service, knows what could happen, complaning about what your doing in Iraq isn' that like violation of code of conduct?, a good firend of mine who serves in the IDF, refused his reserve duty during operation defensive shield in the "terrortories" so he spent some time in prison out in a tent in the desert he got what he deserves and he knows it
yes war sucks, people die , honor their memory, we pull out of iraq now , it will be all for nothing, and i know someone will ask, " why don't you join up" when i finish at bu then its ots for me
viet nam all over again, we might have done better if 200,000 soldiers weren't smoking dope all day long

You sir are an idiot.

Please do not breed.

[USAcommitteeX]

I also respect Dropzone for his service, but you do not complain openly, about your commander in chief and defense minister, to the media in a war zone, when iraqi's hear that morale is low, in american and british soldiers, they will exploit that to the fullest

[Ryan]

Originally posted by USAcommitteeX
I also respect Dropzone for his service, but you do not complain openly, about your commander in chief and defense minister, to the media in a war zone, when iraqi's hear that morale is low, in american and british soldiers, they will exploit that to the fullest

So what you're saying is that any draft-dodging pansy with a sub-average IQ who raises enough money to sucker the uneducated and apathetic populous of this nation into voting them into the White House should have a free ticket to wage war anywhere in the world for any reason and the people putting their lives on the line have no right to question motives regardless of their ethics and personal beliefs? That makes a lot of sense and is exactly what I would expect from a mind-numbed Bush-monkey like yourself. Open your eyes, moron, their is an entire world outside your little box.

Originally posted by USAcommitteeX
I also respect Dropzone for his service, but you do not complain openly, about your commander in chief and defense minister, to the media in a war zone, when iraqi's hear that morale is low, in american and british soldiers, they will exploit that to the fullest

HEY DIPSHIT. Its called CITIZEN SOLDIER. what? just cause i wear a uniform i cant have an opinion? yea, ill complain openly. its my right, and thiers nothing illegal about it. as long as im not actively avoiding service and my job, Im cool. I dont believe in "shut up and soldier" when i comes to national policy. Ill shut up and soldier when my bosses in my unit tell me to do something.

[Adam D]

Originally posted by RosebudProd
When you enlist in the military, your opinions and desires become secondary to the military's, that's how it works and everyone that signs up is (or fucking should be) aware of this.

Actually Geneva allows soldiers who believe a war to be unjust, illegitimate or a war crime itself to refuse orders to fight.

Originally posted by USAcommitteeX
you hate your commander and chief? you should hate the one who caused all this shit Saddam! I have a cousin who's been living in the tora bora area of Afghanistan and he loves it!




why don't you join up" when i finish at bu then its ots for me
viet nam all over again, we might have done better if 200,000 soldiers weren't smoking dope all day long

your cousin is wierd. who wants to enjoy aftghanistan?

and yea, it was the 200,000 pot smokers in nam that lost us the war, not a shitty limited goal, every mission planned from the white house, administration.

Originally posted by Adam D
Actually Geneva allows soldiers who believe a war to be unjust, illegitimate or a war crime itself to refuse orders to fight.

i dont know about the war part, ill have to check my copy of the laws of land warfare. but yes, we can refuse an illegal order, and are actually directed to report any illegal order to a higher up. we are also required to prevent war crimes.

Originally posted by WarLord

ObergrupenFuhrer.

thats an SS senior colonel.....nice historical reference.

quote:
Originally posted by USAcommitteeX
I also respect Dropzone for his service, but you do not complain openly, about your commander in chief and defense minister, to the media in a war zone, when iraqi's hear that morale is low, in american and british soldiers, they will exploit that to the fullest

So, he is allowed to have his opinion, but should keep it to himself.

How incredibly generous of you.

When you decide to allow him to speak his opinion, be sure to alert the media as they will want to know your edict, ObergrupenFuhrer.

LMAO! very nice.

OWNED!