unemployment rate down....

[bfp]

3 times in a row.. i think we are headed in the right direction.. we have seen the worst i would say..

fact:

· From 1981 to 1989 the US economy produced 17 million new jobs, about 2 million per year. The US averaged 1.3 million new jobs per year in the post-Reagan years.


due to what? tax cuts. and the tax cuts havent even hit us yet. economic prosperity is on the way.

[Ryan]

I guess you skipped over the part of the report where they said a large part of this number was due to those who have "given up" looking for work and are therefore no longer considered to be unemployed. I hope the economy turns around, but all the fundamentals point to a long-term downtrend, even if we do see a short-term recovery. This is not an attempt to bash or even blame Bush or anyone else, just a piece of reality. If you want to talk international finance, economic globalization, or domestic and foreign monetary policy, bring it on.

[Adam D]

This also ignores the net effect of all the jobs lost during the Reagan and Bush I years.

[randyc]

i have some corrections....

people "giving up" looking for work won't show up as much as people who's benefits have run out. i think that's where the stat comes from.

also, the numbers don't take into accout people who are underemployed, like the aerospace engineer that works at Target now and that sort of shit. I made quite a bit of money until the big layoff. i was in their system for nearly a year. now, i'm underemployed disconnecting cable as my new job. it pays nowhere near the money, i have to use my own vehicle and equipment that i had to buy, the work is... let's just say it's bullshit. but, as soon as it shows up that i've collected dollar one, i'm no longer on the stats.

see how that works? the career that i started over a decade ago is finished, at least for the moment, so now I do monkey work for very little money.

welcome to the service economy. you'll work harder for less so the rich don't have to.

adam, what are you talking about the reagan years for?

[hepkatmama]

how many times do i have to remind u kids that the unemployment rate is total bullshit

they don't count homeless people, only ppl with addresses.


so just shut the fuck up about how great it is getting & look around u at your unemployed friends & larger number of bums begging for a dime.


some really creative math they use to make that stat. the leave out so many americans who are unemployed (which means they don't have a job).

it is a make-believe number created to act like a commercial for the success of the u.s. economy. the united states pretends like there are no homeless so there seems to b no problem with the economy.

when r u conservatives gonna get that even the homeless people are PEOPLE (and americans too).

[bfp]

oh shut up you fool; the majority of the "bums" could be out there finding a job. and if it werent for the lib's they would have a place to stay; in mental hospitals. clinton for the 8 years he was in office continued to push the bums back to the streets.

[randyc]

conservatives nuthin. well not nuthin' but they're not alone in this.

without downtrodden masses, the dems wouldn't have a vote. could it be in their best interest for this economy to continue on in this shitty condition for another year and then use that to take the election?


i say that both sides suck for allowing this bad economy to continue. their just doing it for different reasons.

think about the labor tip for a moment.

repub = business. if we have floods and floods of unneeded workers of all skill levels driving down the labor costs, big business wins.

dems = minority. they hold most of the hispanic vote and are going for all of it. if you were a democratic senator, it would be career suicide to speak out about a sensible immigration reform.

in the end, both parties win from the situation, but for different reasons.

meanwhile, the american is further marginalized.

yay!

[Ryan]

Originally posted by hepkatmama
how many times do i have to remind u kids that the unemployment rate is total bullshit

they don't count homeless people, only ppl with addresses.


so just shut the fuck up about how great it is getting & look around u at your unemployed friends & larger number of bums begging for a dime.


some really creative math they use to make that stat. the leave out so many americans who are unemployed (which means they don't have a job).

it is a make-believe number created to act like a commercial for the success of the u.s. economy. the united states pretends like there are no homeless so there seems to b no problem with the economy.

when r u conservatives gonna get that even the homeless people are PEOPLE (and americans too).

Actually, by definition, the unemployment rate only includes those who are of working age and are actively seeking employment but are unable to find it. The logic is, in a healthy capitalist economy, all those who want a job will have one. Of course, this number has some flaws in it as some of us stated above, but it has been a fairly consistent indicator of the health of the job market over time.

[randyc]

i use the unemployment number only after i factor it like the ex-boyfriend number.

if you actually ask a chick how many guys she's been with, odds are you'll get a number that's about %50 of what's real. double it and you're back to reality. same with unemployment.

they say 6.5%? i figure it's really more like 13%.

[Adam D]

Originally posted by bfp
oh shut up you fool; the majority of the "bums" could be out there finding a job. and if it werent for the lib's they would have a place to stay; in mental hospitals. clinton for the 8 years he was in office continued to push the bums back to the streets.

Actually that would be the anti-safety net conservatives like Reagan who close out mental hospitals.

[hepkatmama]

Originally posted by bfp
oh shut up you fool; the majority of the "bums" could be out there finding a job. and if it werent for the lib's they would have a place to stay; in mental hospitals. clinton for the 8 years he was in office continued to push the bums back to the streets.

[[u are so uninformed, its amazing how much u talk like u have technical numbers to prove the utter nonsense u say. & i will tell u right now, that name calling bullshit might work with the other ppl on this site. but u won't distract me from the facts with your lousy debate methods. rule #1 never make it personal.]]

REBUTTAL:

actually during the CARTER administration thousands of people who had been institutionalized (mental hospital) were released after having lived there their entire lives under care because the federal govt. changed the way ssi is paid to the mentally ill. just because u are full on crazy doesn't mean u can stay in a mental hospital until u die, like some ppl need to.

know where they dumped em? the bus stations of just about ever metropolitan city in this country. i know cause i used to work for social security who pays ssi to ppl.

tell me something smart guy... say u are homeless. that means u have no address technically.

no address means --> no phone --> nothing to put on your resume for contact info --> no where to iron your work clothes --> no where to wash your interview clothes --> no where to pick up your disability check (if u were injured or unstable)

homeless does not mean "unwanting to work" it means NO HOME. duh.

so even if u get a job interview after being homeless for only a week, how do your clothes look? how do u smell? even if they overlook your hygiene (u can't use public restrooms typically if u aren't a customer) and want to give u the job, how do they contact u & let u know after u leave?

i bet u think the indians living on squalid reservation ghettos want to live like that too. like camping only with no cookstove or tent, right? so convenient how conservatives ignore their pleas for education & basic utility assistance like electricity or running water.


but i'm getting off the topic. this thread isn't about homeless ppl. its about the number that the feds give us to pacify our concerns about the economy. this isn't a real debate, so i guess i will get a little personal


bfp, so why did u completely ignore my original point? the unemployment rate (whether they want to work or not) is still not accurate if it doesn't count every american who isn't physically disabled or unwilling to work.

i mean, randy & i REALLY want to work. i don't want to lose my car or place to live & neither does he. but because i was uneligible for unemployment (cause the bitches fired me) and its been longer than 6 months, they no longer count me as unemployed.

my temp agency counts me as unemployed. all the people i send resumes to from the paper & job banks know i'm unemployed. all the little bullshit places i go to get an interim job like starbux & shit know i'm unemployed. but they can't hire me & the places they refer me to can't hire me.

but i'll manage. i produce shows, i work temp when its available, i dispatch for a little limo company, i sell artwork & antique books & vintage clothes. but i am still barely paying that car & crib.

so don't tell me i don't want to work. i have every right to be offended that the govt. doesn't count me as unemployed.

[randyc]

i thought about that movie, Falling Down, today.

funny, i also thought about it wednesday when i showed up at mcdonalds at 10:32 and they're like, "breakfast? what's breakfast?" it takes those motherfuckers FOREVER to get my food most times, but they can convert the whole place from breakfast to lunch mode in under 2 minutes.

Originally posted by bfp
oh shut up you fool; the majority of the "bums" could be out there finding a job. and if it werent for the lib's they would have a place to stay; in mental hospitals. clinton for the 8 years he was in office continued to push the bums back to the streets.

The fact that the process of closing mental homes began under Reagan is lost on you.

[bfp]

show me some numbers d-zone.

Originally posted by bfp
oh shut up you fool; the majority of the "bums" could be out there finding a job. and if it werent for the lib's they would have a place to stay; in mental hospitals. clinton for the 8 years he was in office continued to push the bums back to the streets.

wtf are you talking about ??! you are the mother fucker who needs to open your fucking eyes. My brother and his gf are practically homeless right now because BOTH of them got laid off, their unemployment benifits *ran* out..and every fucking day they are out there pounding the payment looking for work , mailing out resumes day after fucking day faxing and e-mailing and NOTHING! it's called reality..not some fucking statistics that mean shit in the real world.