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Old 10-24-03, 05:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Warlord.. or anyone else

What are your views on this topic.

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Old 10-27-03, 09:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
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As with all things of this nature, belief is the key which determines how one thinks of it.

From my own perspective, I see too many holes in the accounts for it to be real. The posting start immediately after the 2000 election and appear to base the predictions made about the future upon that time and place.

For example, he alludes to the fact that the "safe" areas of the nation can be seen from looking at an electoral map of what areas of the country voted for Bush vs. Gore. The implication being that the Bush areas did not either come under attack or were supportive of the winning side in the civil war he predicts.

He makes no mention of Sept. 11, 2001. Assuming this story is real, who in their right mind would prattle on about Mad Cow Disease if they knew not even 10 months later 3000+ were going to die in a single terrorist attack? That event will still be reverbrating at the end of this century as one of the greatest news stories of the era. Yet, he says nothing and makes no attempt to warn anyone about it.

All in all, I'd say you can relax regarding this "gentleman" and his predictions. It's a good read and at times amusing, but the story doesn't hold up in light of events since then. For example, when asked about the mechanics of his "time machine", he refers to worm holes and the manipulation thereof but defers any further answers to others as he is not a physicist. Well, not one of the Apollo astronauts were rocket scientists but to a man they can tell you what got them into space and how it worked. Combine this with his not mentioning the terrorist attacks of 9/11 and rather strange obsession with the electoral map and people's meat eating habits, I'd say we have a very eleborate prankster out there.

So, have a double-cheeseburger with bacon for me. We're more likely to die of heart attacks than anything this person had to say.

thanks! I wanted your input on it.. b/c i found it interesting... and this is something that I thought you would have some good input on it

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Old 10-27-03, 01:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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As with all things of this nature, belief is the key which determines how one thinks of it.

From my own perspective, I see too many holes in the accounts for it to be real. The posting start immediately after the 2000 election and appear to base the predictions made about the future upon that time and place.

For example, he alludes to the fact that the "safe" areas of the nation can be seen from looking at an electoral map of what areas of the country voted for Bush vs. Gore. The implication being that the Bush areas did not either come under attack or were supportive of the winning side in the civil war he predicts.

He makes no mention of Sept. 11, 2001. Assuming this story is real, who in their right mind would prattle on about Mad Cow Disease if they knew not even 10 months later 3000+ were going to die in a single terrorist attack? That event will still be reverbrating at the end of this century as one of the greatest news stories of the era. Yet, he says nothing and makes no attempt to warn anyone about it.

All in all, I'd say you can relax regarding this "gentleman" and his predictions. It's a good read and at times amusing, but the story doesn't hold up in light of events since then. For example, when asked about the mechanics of his "time machine", he refers to worm holes and the manipulation thereof but defers any further answers to others as he is not a physicist. Well, not one of the Apollo astronauts were rocket scientists but to a man they can tell you what got them into space and how it worked. Combine this with his not mentioning the terrorist attacks of 9/11 and rather strange obsession with the electoral map and people's meat eating habits, I'd say we have a very eleborate prankster out there.

So, have a double-cheeseburger with bacon for me. We're more likely to die of heart attacks than anything this person had to say.

In a world so full of scammers, the odds are John Titor was a fraud playing mind games, and there are certainly plenty of them on the Internet. In this case I'm holding on to cautious skepticism while retaining an open mind to a story that seems so internally consistent and offers several indicators of genuineness, including a specific prediction as proof. He pushed no agenda, had nothing to sell, and apparently wasn't concerned if people believed what he said because he didn't expect to be believed in the first place. He explained that he was online talking about his military time-travel mission openly because he was interested in people's reactions to what he had to say, and he did say some very interesting things about the direction our country is going, in particular its transformation into a police state and how that sets the stage for civil war. If he was a fraud he went to a fair amount of trouble to build a model of his time machine. Some of the pages from the purported technical manual for the unit are very technical and would be very time consuming to construct. Most difficult for a scammer to create (one would think) would be a plausible theory and fairly detailed schematics describing how his time machne works. [ Apparently Mr. Titor's government-issue "Time Distortion Gravity Displacement Unit" uses two spinning and charged singularities (mini black holes) massing around 200 pounds each to distort gravity around them; by distorting gravity the singularities also distort time, and time can then be moved through. It's a plausible theory, it's consistent with current black hole theory, and the timing of development he describes is reasonably consistent with the expected development of mini black holes when the Large Hadron Collider at CERN comes online in 2007. If John Titor is a fraud, he is one very smart fraud. ]
 
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Old 10-27-03, 01:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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. These posts were written before 9-11, the Columbia accident and the second Gulf War. Many people believe John may have known of these events and dropped clues without actually referring to them. It's also widely agreed that he made several predictions about future physics discoveries that have materialized as he stated.
 
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Old 10-27-03, 02:19 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Yes, and Nostrodamus predicted WW II and the attacks on the World Trade Center......and my grandmother's uterine cancer.

If you are vague enough, then you can interpret events to fit things accordingly. But, given what he said he was and what his mission was, i.e., to inform the people of this time how to avoid the future he came from, one would think specificity is a requirement as well as accuracy and timeliness.

You can interpret what he says that way, but he never claimed to be a prophet or be predicting the future through visions. He claimed he was from the future, therefore parables and hazy predictions just don't cut it now, do they?

I'm with you on this one Warlord. It is indeed a very intelligent and interesting hoax, but that is all it is. The thing that gets me, seems to be the same thing that you picked up on. He is not predicting the future as he has been there. He would then have the ability to be very specific as he has already seen what will happen. He should know and be able to demonstrate very specifically what is going to happen. He does not.
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Old 10-29-03, 09:23 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
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i wanna go back to the future too
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why was my post deleted? thats a buncha crap, i wasnt talking about anything wrong , geez
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