Why visiting DJs may become rare

[Dionysos]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...today/11927440

Millions of foreign visitors to the United States, already under strict scrutiny since the 2001 terrorist attacks, soon will have to be fingerprinted and photographed to get through the nation's airports and seaports.

On Tuesday, the Department of Homeland Security announced plans for a high-tech system that will help track the 24 million foreigners who enter the country with work, student or travel visas each year.

Congress ordered the system after the Sept. 11 attacks, when officials learned that two of the 19 hijackers had violated the terms of their visas. The program's goal is to prevent potential terrorists from entering the country and to register foreigners who are allowed in. It also requires foreigners to check out when they leave so officials can look for people who stay after their visas expire.

The program replaces a controversial measure that required people in the United States from 25 mostly Muslim countries to register with the government.

Asa Hutchinson, head of border security at the department, called it a "dramatic step forward" in tightening security.

But airport managers and travel industry officials say they're concerned that the program will cause delays and discourage tourism. Civil libertarians worry that the information collected won't stay private.

The first part of the new entry-exit system will be launched at 115 airports and 14 major seaports on Jan. 5. Border agents will use a digital camera on a desktop tripod and an electronic fingerprint machine not much bigger than a pack of cigarettes to collect biometric information. The data will be compared with lists of known and suspected terrorists and other lawbreakers. Within seconds, the agent's computer will indicate whether there was a "hit."

Foreigners from 27 countries deemed low-risk will not have to be photographed or fingerprinted. But they will have biometric information put in chips in their passports by late 2004.

The exit part of the new system will require visitors to go to a self-service kiosk, swipe their passports and provide their fingerprints. The kiosks will operate at only about 30 airports in January. Officials said the technology for that part of the program is still being developed.

The most difficult part of the program setting up the system at border crossings must be done by 2005. It will be complicated and expensive because there are no lanes or booths for agents to check people on their way out of the country. Studies show that adding an exit system could add hours of waiting time.

Congress, concerned about how the program was being managed, cut its funding this year. President Bush (news - web sites) requested $480 million for 2004; Congress approved $330 million.

Rick Webster of the Travel Industry Association said his group supports the idea of registering foreign visitors. But he expressed concern that there may not be "enough equipment, personnel and training to support expeditious processing."

If people face three or four-hour waits at airports, he said, "it only adds another disincentive for people to come here."

I don't think having to wait a little bit longer to get in will detour anyone coming over here to work. Our country is still the largest market for electronic music.

Sucks, but what can you do?

I don't really think isolating "high risk" countries is the answer though. Anyone planning a large terrorist attack will just make arrangements to go around these precautions.

[DataBass]

Originally posted by WarLord
Damn.

So where does this leave those of us into......

Islamic psy-trance breaks?

1st loly I have had all day......

[Adam D]

I'm sure none of the western European countries are designated "high risk" so I doubt there will be a problem.

[Adam D]

Their records will be searched for traces of Anthrax.

I don't think having to wait a little bit longer to get in will detour anyone coming over here to work. Our country is still the largest market for electronic music.



-wtf are you talking about?

largest market?

did you forget about europe?

where there every week party's is like our biggest party's of the year?

or in record sales, where they buy 10 times more records there then in the u.s.?

this is a very small edm market here, it's called the clubs that have not closed and the record stores that have not closed.which btw, ain't that many.

Originally posted by superkool
I don't think having to wait a little bit longer to get in will detour anyone coming over here to work. Our country is still the largest market for electronic music.



-wtf are you talking about?

largest market?

did you forget about europe?

where there every week party's is like our biggest party's of the year?

or in record sales, where they buy 10 times more records there then in the u.s.?

this is a very small edm market here, it's called the clubs that have not closed and the record stores that have not closed.which btw, ain't that many.

Whatever you say man.

[Dionysos]

Originally posted by -m-
I don't think having to wait a little bit longer to get in will detour anyone coming over here to work. Our country is still the largest market for electronic music.

No, but stringent background checks made possible by fingerprinting will make some DJs unavailable to our country. That's why Hype's tour was cancelled, his past criminal records were why the feds wouldn't let him into the country.

Originally posted by RosebudProd
No, but stringent background checks made possible by fingerprinting will make some DJs unavailable to our country. That's why Hype's tour was cancelled, his past criminal records were why the feds wouldn't let him into the country.

Now THAT makes some sense.

I'm actually interested in knowing the real laws for getting in and out of this country. I have felony drug convictions and am interested in knowing if I will ever be able to leave the country.

[Adam D]

You could probably check with the State Dept.

[bfp]

read the comment's inside the deep dish afterhour's mix.

Originally posted by -m-
Whatever you say man.

we could compare notes and stats.

i tell you what, you find 30 of the biggest shows every here in the us, and i'll do europe.

oh and also find out record sales here vs. europe.

yeah i can understand how you could easily confuse the edm scene over here as being bigger then over there.

most people that have not left their area feel the same.

Well, I think the fact that EDM has more mainstream exposure in Europe makes it a bit more difficult to excel in. I wasn't disputing that it's bigger over there.

When I said larger market I meant market with higher potential because it's untouched. We're simply not at the point that Europe is and I think that can definitely be exploited to an artists advantage.

There is a reason why DJ's and EDM Live PA's are all climbing over each other to get over here and play, and it's the simple fact that there is a TON of exposure to be had over here, as well as money.

Sasha and Digweed are living examples of this. They wouldn't be as big as they are today if it wasn't for the exposure they have gotten in this country. That's coming straight from interviews from both of them that I've read.

[Element4040]

Originally posted by -m-
Now THAT makes some sense.

I'm actually interested in knowing the real laws for getting in and out of this country. I have felony drug convictions and am interested in knowing if I will ever be able to leave the country.

Slip the customs agent a fity

Originally posted by -m-
Well, I think the fact that EDM has more mainstream exposure in Europe makes it a bit more difficult to excel in. I wasn't disputing that it's bigger over there.

When I said larger market I meant market with higher potential because it's untouched. We're simply not at the point that Europe is and I think that can definitely be exploited to an artists advantage.

There is a reason why DJ's and EDM Live PA's are all climbing over each other to get over here and play, and it's the simple fact that there is a TON of exposure to be had over here, as well as money.

Sasha and Digweed are living examples of this. They wouldn't be as big as they are today if it wasn't for the exposure they have gotten in this country. That's coming straight from interviews from both of them that I've read.

they play over here for money and new fans, and of course a hope to get a movie soundtrack,modonna remix,etc.

but as far as edm,clubs,raves, and 12 inch records go, their bread and butter is europe


why do you think it's every americans dj's fantasy to play in europe?