Legalizing the Illegal's

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Thomas Sowell

Many Americans are concerned because millions of illegal immigrants enter this country and little seems to be done to stop them. But California Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi, leader of the Democrats in the House of Representatives, is upset because now something is being done to catch some of them.

Police raids on dozens of Wal-Mart stores are "terrorizing" illegal immigrants, according to House Minority Leader Pelosi. What would she do about illegal immigrants? Legalize them!

This mindset is not confined to Nancy Pelosi. There are several bills currently before Congress to make "undocumented workers" — we are too delicate to call illegal aliens what they are — legal residents. After that, they are on the road to citizenship.

In other words, come here illegally and we will make you legal!
Just recently, California's outgoing Governor Gray Davis signed a law giving illegal aliens the right to get driver's licenses. Since driver's licenses are widely accepted as identification, that amounts to providing illegal aliens widespread access to the institutions of American society, private and public.

Illegal aliens living in California can go to the state universities and pay only the in-state tuition, while native-born American citizens who live in neighboring Oregon or Nevada have to pay much higher out-of-state tuition to attend California's state universities. Apparently Mexico is not out of state.

Some of this is just shameless politics, in utter disregard of what most Americans want and oblivious to the irreversible changes that massive illegal immigration introduces into American society. When an illegal immigrant is allowed to settle in the United States, any child born to that illegal alien automatically becomes an American citizen — and all that child's relatives back in Mexico or elsewhere then have the inside track to come here legally.
All this is widely known. But it is also widely disregarded in the quest for Hispanic votes. Yet what is happening cannot all be explained by cynical and short-sighted politics.

After all, we still have a free press and innumerable television channels. If those in the media who loudly proclaim "the public's right to know" when it suits their interests were serious about alerting the public to what is happening, and put as much indignation into it as they put into many more trivial issues, the mass outcry from voters would quickly get the politicians' attention.
The fact is that the intelligentsia have no stomach for defending American society or its culture and values, and certainly not as much interest in doing so as they have in posturing as friends of the underdog, or as citizens of the world who are above parochial national concerns.

Another factor is that even critics of illegal immigration have to admit that many of the most hard-working people in California are people of Mexican origin, both legal and illegal.
You don't see Mexicans or Mexican Americans begging on the streets of San Francisco, for example, the way you often see healthy white men who look perfectly capable of working, if they did not find begging an easier or more profitable life.

But it is a bogus argument that illegal immigrants do work that most Americans refuse to do. The fallacy would become obvious, even to the media, if Mexican reporters came over here illegally and worked for half of what American reporters were getting.
Would the media still buy the argument that these reporters from Mexico were just doing work that you cannot get Americans to do? Or would they finally wake up to the fact that the pay level has a lot to do with whether Americans will accept certain jobs?

Another fallacious argument is that today's immigration is nothing new because this country has absorbed millions of immigrants in the past. In the past, people came here to become Americans, not remain foreigners. But between the multicultural craze and the proximity of Mexico, Americanization has an uphill fight and may never become the norm.

The question is not how many new Americans can we accept but how many more foreigners can we absorb? And how many terrorists?

[Adam D]

We wouldn't have half that problem if it were not for the US trying to skullfuck Latin American economies with garbage like NAFTA, CAFTA, and the FTAA.

BTW...what about illegal white immigrants? Or are we just too concerned with being racist to acknowledge THAT part of the problem?

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We wouldn't have half that problem if it were not for the US trying to skullfuck Latin American economies with garbage like NAFTA, CAFTA, and the FTAA.

BTW...what about illegal white immigrants? Or are we just too concerned with being racist to acknowledge THAT part of the problem?

CRY RACISM CRY RACISM!!

what's the biggest problem america faces today adam?
the number of illegal's coming in from mexico. try comparing the numbers.

[Adam D]

It doesn't matter where you're from. If you're an illegal immigrant, then you're an illegal immigrant. Period. It's just that all of you conservatives who are so concerned with illegal immigrants ignore all of the illegal immigration except the nonwhites.

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Originally posted by Adam D
It doesn't matter where you're from. If you're an illegal immigrant, then you're an illegal immigrant. Period. It's just that all of you conservatives who are so concerned with illegal immigrants ignore all of the illegal immigration except the nonwhites.

tired, tired argument.

mis-leading btw...

Originally posted by Adam D
We wouldn't have half that problem if it were not for the US trying to skullfuck Latin American economies with garbage like NAFTA, CAFTA, and the FTAA.

BTW...what about illegal white immigrants? Or are we just too concerned with being racist to acknowledge THAT part of the problem?

What are illegal white immigrants?

The issue here is "Illegal Immigrants" - color has nothing to do with it Adam.

Also, NAFTA (I'll admit I'm not too familiar with the others) brought jobs to Mexico from the US - at least that the common bitch about that law. As such - why would people leave the place these jobs went to - in order to go to the place that thje jobs left from?

So on NAFTA - is it driving jobs out of America and into Mexico or not?

Also - Illegal Immigration was not created by NAFTA - it's been around a long time.

The problem is that illegal immigration is a crime - if enforcement focuses on the largest part of the problem - illegals coming from Mexico - it doesn't make it racist - it makes it focused on the largest part of the problem. If those illegals were white, brown, pink, green etc - it makes it no less the largest source of illegal immigration - and it has no realtionship what-so-ever to race.

[Adam D]

Illegal immigration rose sharply after NAFTA passed because it pushed low wage jobs into Mexico, and with the "aid" of US companies to the Mexican government they were able to crush local business and force people into accepting low wage jobs (lower than domestic business was paying) for US industries. People came here looking for more income.

Originally posted by Adam D
Illegal immigration rose sharply after NAFTA passed because it pushed low wage jobs into Mexico, and with the "aid" of US companies to the Mexican government they were able to crush local business and force people into accepting low wage jobs (lower than domestic business was paying) for US industries. People came here looking for more income.

Adam - people have always come here looking for a better life - whether escaping oppression or looking for a better wage.

NAFTA is no more unique a stimulus than Castro - each creates an incentive to leave.

So many seem to view NAFTA as this attempt to "crush" the little guy. Do you see NAFTA as having this intent or do you believe that the endoresers of the Bill were ignorant of its full impact(either willfuly or other?) - - and - - just for the record - - I am not conceeding that NAFTA does any of those things - just looking for your take on the subj.

Now back to your racism charge - please clarify

[Adam D]

They were aware of the effects it would have, and were/are indifferent to the resulting immigration, poverty, etc.


As far as the racism claim? Find me an article discussing illegal immigration that ever once mentions anything about white illegal immigrants. On the otherhand, look at the plethora of literature on latino illegal immigration. Or even middle eastern or asian illegal immigrants.

I realize that the majority probably are latinos. However, if illegal immigration is a problem through and through, then surely there must be 1 article somewhere out there talking about the need to stop European illegal immigration.

Originally posted by Adam D
They were aware of the effects it would have, and were/are indifferent to the resulting immigration, poverty, etc.


As far as the racism claim? Find me an article discussing illegal immigration that ever once mentions anything about white illegal immigrants. On the otherhand, look at the plethora of literature on latino illegal immigration. Or even middle eastern or asian illegal immigrants.

I realize that the majority probably are latinos. However, if illegal immigration is a problem through and through, then surely there must be 1 article somewhere out there talking about the need to stop European illegal immigration.

But Adam - you are making my point - articles don't discuss "white" illegal immigration because the crime isn't dependent on one's racial heritage.

as far as european immigration (and I am assuming that is what you mean by "white" immigration) it is a minor blip on the radar screen when compared to the problems on our southern border.

When you have a gaping hole in one place a pinprick will receive less attention. This is not racist - it is prioritizing issues - fix more threatening problems first.

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Originally posted by xiannaix


as far as european immigration (and I am assuming that is what you mean by "white" immigration) it is a minor blip on the radar screen when compared to the problems on our southern border.

bingo!!

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When you have a gaping hole in one place a pinprick will receive less attention. This is not racist - it is prioritizing issues - fix more threatening problems first.

correct. it seem's that when the problem of mexican's flooding through the border by the ten's of millions is highlighted, it's racist. political correctness if you ask me.

[Adam D]

Originally posted by xiannaix
But Adam - you are making my point - articles don't discuss "white" illegal immigration because the crime isn't dependent on one's racial heritage.

as far as european immigration (and I am assuming that is what you mean by "white" immigration) it is a minor blip on the radar screen when compared to the problems on our southern border.

When you have a gaping hole in one place a pinprick will receive less attention. This is not racist - it is prioritizing issues - fix more threatening problems first.

First of all, the problem is uniform. Illegal immigration is illegal immigration, whether it is coming from Mexico or Canada. You tell me that the crime isn't dependent on one's racial heritage, then why the volumes of literature on Latinos who commit this crime?

[mc E]

http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/...eport_1211.pdf

here is the rankings....countries supplying the most illegal immigrants

1. Mexico
2. El Salvador
3. Guatamala
4. Columbia
5. Honduras
6. China
7. Ecuador
8. Dominican Republic
9. Phillipines
10. Brazil
11. Haiti
12. India
13. Peru
14. Korea
15. Canada

Canada is the only country on the list with any kind of white population....canada makes up 0.7% of illegal residents in the USA

SOOOOO

WHERE IS THIS WHITE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT SITUATION THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING OF

Originally posted by Adam D
First of all, the problem is uniform. Illegal immigration is illegal immigration, whether it is coming from Mexico or Canada. You tell me that the crime isn't dependent on one's racial heritage, then why the volumes of literature on Latinos who commit this crime?

The volume of illegals coming from Mexico dwarfs all other immigration combined.

from 1980-2000 the Dallas Latino population (legal and other) grew 358% (810,499) Ft. Worth/Arlington 328% (309,581)

Latinos make up 38.8 million Americans (half of whom live in Cali or Texas) - 13% of the population.

This has to do with nationality - not racial heritage.

If we faced this type of influx from Indonesia we'd be looking at that national group, or brazilian or german or irish etc etc etc

Opposition to immigration is based on much more practicle matters than 'racsim."

The fact that the overwhelming majority of the breakers of a given law are mexican does not make the law racist.

If the media focuses on a certain group of law breakers - it is becuase they are breaking the law in unprecedented numbers - not because they are Mexican