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I was watching the debate the other day. And i never heard of this dude....but yanno what! i think everybody else who hasn't should too. CLICKY HERE

I agree - everyone who hasn't heard him should.

Quite an eye opener............

[knucklehead]

I especially like the excellent comparison made between prohibition and marijuana law. I would love for more people to see it in such a way.

[Satchel]

I really like that he supports IRV. I think that is CRUCIAL for the future of this country.

Mr. Kucinich on national television accused conservative members of congress of wanting to throw women in jail for having an abortion. When pressed repeatedly to name one....he finally did

here's the transcript...

MSNBC Transcripts:

"Hardball with Chris Matthews" for July 15

MATTHEWS: We’re back with more “Political Buzz” with Congressman Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, who’s running for president, and Duncan Hunter.
Here’s the Congressman Kucinich earlier today addressing the Human Rights Campaign, a gay and lesbian political advocacy group..
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KUCINICH: I would nominate any gay to the Supreme Court, or lesbian or bisexual or transgendered person to the Supreme Court, as long as they were ready to uphold Roe v. Wade.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MATTHEWS: What are we to make of that statement, Congressman Kucinich?
KUCINICH: You’re to make of it that equality before the law is an essential and cardinal principle of our government. And in addition to that, women in our society will never truly have equality if Roe v. Wade is repealed, and so I’m take a stand of behalf of equality for everyone.
MATTHEWS: But it just looks like the most patent kind of pandering. You’re saying the only issue that matters to you in terms of picking a Supreme Court justice, in terms of the person’s background, the only issue that matters to you is an issue on which you took a 180 degree different position throughout your career.
In other words, you will only accept judges on the Supreme Court who totally disagreed with you your entire life until recently when you decided to run for president and go national.
KUCINICH: Actually, Chris, what I’m saying here is that I believe that upholding Roe v. Wade...
MATTHEWS: But you were always against it. Now you’re for it and saying if a judge is against it, they can be gay, straight, transgender, whatever, as long as they agree with you this instant and they didn’t agree with you your whole career. It looks like pandering and it looks like, I don’t know what. Hypocrisy of the worst kind. But go ahead. Explain it.
KUCINICH: OK. Thanks, Chris. I think criminalization of abortion would set this country back.
MATTHEWS: Who is proposing criminalization of abortion?
KUCINICH: Actually, Congress has been increasingly moving in the direction.
MATTHEWS: Who supports criminal punishments for abortion.
KUCINICH: Congress has been increasingly moving in the direction towards criminalization.
MATTHEWS: Name a U.S. congressperson.
KUCINICH: It’s a fact.
MATTHEWS: Name a Congressperson who supports putting people in jail for having an abortion. Name one.
KUCINICH: Trent Lott, at the beginning of this Congress, stated that it was the number one agenda for his, the legislative agenda to move forward to make abortion illegal.
MATTHEWS: No, you said to put them in jail, to criminalize abortion. Name a member of Congress who wants to-name any member of Congress in either party who says put a person in jail for having an abortion. Name one.
KUCINICH: I campaigned for Congress in 1996 against an opponent who was backing a constitutional amendment to make abortion illegal. And what I’m saying that it’s important in this country-
MATTHEWS: You didn’t say that. You said criminalize it. You said put a person in jail for having an abortion. Do you believe any member of Congress wants to do that?
KUCINICH: Well, I think there are members of Congress who want to do that. That’s absolutely right.
MATTHEWS: Name one.
KUCINICH: This isn’t about naming one.
MATTHEWS: Name one. Name one.
KUCINICH: I think Chris Smith would support it. I do...
MATTHEWS: He would. Well, that’s a nice subjective move, but you don’t have his testimony supporting it. We’ll check with him on that. I think it’s a rotten thing to say.
Let’s go on...
KUCINICH: What’s a rotten thing to say?
MATTHEWS: To say that somebody in Congress wants to put a woman in jail for having an abortion when you don’t even know their name.
KUCINICH: Well, you asked me to...
MATTHEWS: Name one.
KUCINICH: You asked me to who would be responsible and take that kind of a position. And I think Chris has had a strong position all of his life on it, and I think he’s probably be..
MATTHEWS: You’re desperate. Let’s move on here.


"Hardball with Chris Matthews" for July 16

MATTHEWS: Welcome back to HARDBALL.
Last night in our “Political Buzz” segment, Congressman Dennis Kucinich, who is running for president, accused some in the United States Congress of attempting to criminalize abortions, in other words, put women in prison who’ve had abortions.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MATTHEWS: Name any member of Congress of either party who says put a person in jail for having an abortion.
REP. DENNIS KUCINICH (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I campaigned for Congress in 1996 against an opponent who was backing a constitutional amendment to make abortion illegal. And what I’m saying, that it’s important in this country to oppose...
MATTHEWS: No, you didn’t say that.
KUCINICH: ... equal rights...
MATTHEWS: You said put a person in jail for having an abortion. Do you believe any member of Congress wants to do that?
KUCINICH: I think there are members of Congress who want to do that.
That’s absolutely...
MATTHEWS: Name one.
KUCINICH: This isn’t about naming one.
MATTHEWS: Name one. Name one.
KUCINICH: I think Chris Smith would support it.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
MATTHEWS: Congressman Chris Smith represents the 4th District of New Jersey. He joins us now.
Congressman Smith, do you believe in putting women in prison for having abortions?
REP. CHRIS SMITH R, NEW JERSEY: Absolutely not. That was a very irresponsible and a presumptuous statement on the part of Mr. Kucinich. He’s dead wrong.
Legislation including the partial-birth abortion which is making its way through Congress and all of the previous bills that have gone forward, some of which were vetoed by Bill Clinton, have an explicit piece of language in there that says no woman will be prosecuted under this act.
That is the intent of what we tried to do with all of our legislation and even pre-Roe v. Wade.
MATTHEWS: What is your thinking behind that?
SMITH: Without a doubt, we believe and I believe in pro-life woman believes that these women are co-victims with the babies. The baby has an act of violence on him or her. Physical dismemberment or poisoning by harsh chemicals.
MATTHEWS: Sure.
SMITH: But the mother carries incredible psychological consequences.
And as a matter of fact, I’m part of and recently hosted on Capitol Hill a Silent No More campaign. This is a group of women who have had abortions who are trying to tell others that there’s an enormous pain that they carry. They’re co-victims.
And like I said, the proof is in the legislation. It clearly states something as horrific as partial-birth abortion, where the baby is partially delivered and then his or her brains are sucked out, there’s a protection that the woman will not be...
MATTHEWS: Let’s not let you run the show because you were seized upon by the man running for president. I’m glad you came on.
By the way, just for the human interest part of this, Congressman Kucinich, after he was on the program last night, he apparently knew what he had said. And he realized its import to you. And what happened then?
SMITH: Well, he just informed me that he had said that.
MATTHEWS: He saw you on the floor of the House.
SMITH: He came up to me on the floor. And I said, “Well, first of all, it is presumptuous and it is absolutely wrong what you said.”
MATTHEWS: Did he admit it had been wrong?
SMITH: Yes, I think he think that’s this is where we’re going in the pro-life movement. And it is part of a red herring argument that the pro-abortion forces have been trying to sell for the last 20 years.
MATTHEWS: Did he apologize for what he said?
SMITH: Semi. He seemed very uncomfortable with the fact that he named my name. And you know, I believe in human rights. I believe in helping women.
And we’re all about reconciliation. That’s what the women need. They need help. And hopefully, you know, crisis pregnancy centers, 4,000-strong throughout the country on a daily basis are helping women. Many of the women who man those centers have previously had abortions.
MATTHEWS: Is there any other member of Congress, man or woman, Democrat or Republican, who advocates jailing women for abortion?
SMITH: I know of absolutely no one.
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you about-just a point here. We only have 30 seconds.
Why is it important to put the doctor in prison or finding him heavily or her heavily when they’re operating as an agent of a woman who seeks an abortion? And in most cases, when you ask somebody to do it, you’re the principal. Why in this case would a woman not be-should not be subject to penalization?
SMITH: Again, very often, women are under enormous pressure to have an abortion. They may be frightened. They’re very vulnerable.
The physician, if you want to call him that, the abortionist, should know better. He’s the one who has to go in there and dismember or chemically poison an unborn child. And in the past, prior to Roe, that’s who was the subject of sanctions.
You know, we have a sanction right now. If you kill a bald eagle, you get a year in prison. Kill a second bald eagle, you get five years. Partial birth abortion, we’re saying two years.
MATTHEWS: That’s the bottom line, that women shouldn’t go to jail for having abortions?
SMITH: Exactly right.
MATTHEWS: Thank you very much. Congressman Chris Smith from New Jersey

[Cock Puncher]

damn how long did it take you to write that out

Anybody else watch the "bring them home" flash on his website? He's as appalling as Bush.

Horseshit.

[Ryan]

Originally posted by hyoomen
Anybody else watch the "bring them home" flash on his website? He's as appalling as Bush.

Horseshit.

Are you being sarcastic? I don't see what was so appalling about that video.

While I oppose current methods and many actions in Iraq and was a staunch opponent of the US-led war against Iraq, the emotionally-distraught Flash serves as the very manipulation by media which he comes out against whenever a major corporation is responsible for the content. With an attempt at subliminally triggered fear and hatred of corporate greed, the Flash does little more than Bush's thinly-veiled political moves at trying to win more votes.

Do you think all of those men and women who died and are listed in that Flash animation would have been accepting of it?

Bah. This whole political propaganda thing has gone WAY too far. All of these assholes need to stop lying to the people and themselves. I was never much one for believing in a violent revolution, but we need something a bit more extreme than a flood of Democratic candidates all willing to defame each other and swap their positions based upon polling.

[Ryan]

Originally posted by hyoomen
While I oppose current methods and many actions in Iraq and was a staunch opponent of the US-led war against Iraq, the emotionally-distraught Flash serves as the very manipulation by media which he comes out against whenever a major corporation is responsible for the content. With an attempt at subliminally triggered fear and hatred of corporate greed, the Flash does little more than Bush's thinly-veiled political moves at trying to win more votes.

Do you think all of those men and women who died and are listed in that Flash animation would have been accepting of it?

Bah. This whole political propaganda thing has gone WAY too far. All of these assholes need to stop lying to the people and themselves. I was never much one for believing in a violent revolution, but we need something a bit more extreme than a flood of Democratic candidates all willing to defame each other and swap their positions based upon polling.

Well put.

Originally posted by damn-it-2-hell
damn how long did it take you to write that out

hehe - long time - and even longer to come up with words that I liked

I actually saw the shows referenced. Kuncinich came across quite poorly - caught in a BS comment and pressed to the wall - he made an accusation out of nothing but terror at having no response for his own accustaion - then a day later the accused was permitted to deny the charge.

[bfp]

Originally posted by xiannaix
hehe - long time - and even longer to come up with words that I liked

I actually saw the shows referenced. Kuncinich came across quite poorly - caught in a BS comment and pressed to the wall - he made an accusation out of nothing but terror at having no response for his own accustaion - then a day later the accused was permitted to deny the charge.

Kucinich scares the hell out of me.

[Ryan]

Originally posted by bfp
Kucinich scares the hell out of me.

Think about how we all feel with Bush in office.

Originally posted by bfp
Kucinich scares the hell out of me.

He bores the hell out of me - and he's got about as good a chance as Rev. Al does of becoming President.

[Satchel]

Hardball is such a kickass show. I wish there were more shows like that and less of the propoganda bullshit shows.