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01-25-04, 12:36 AM
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| Feline Leukemia Survivor  Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Law School
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This is from Miles' sig line: "Anarchists are full of shit. Don't get me wrong, I like the Clash as much as the next guy. But if they got their way and civilization as we know it crumbled, there would be total chaos with people running around and screaming in panic. You know what happens when people just run haphazardly like that? Scraped knees. No thanks, guys." I'm not sure I understand how that is. Discuss.
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01-25-04, 02:20 AM
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Anarchy would be OK if private property was respected, but as it is most anarchists I speak with detest private property. Almost as if they only want anarchy as a license to steal. Well the only problem with that is most people want to keep what they earn and defend their property from theft. Your brand of anarchy would produce a hobbesian war of all against all where life would be nasty brutish and short. And mister anarchist how is it that you are such a statist anytime you want government to stick it to the corporations / parent / christian etc.... That is so hypocritical. Either you are statist or individualist.
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01-25-04, 02:23 AM
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01-25-04, 02:31 AM
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If the anarchist goals is the overthrow of civil government, then yes, civilization as we know it would crumble under this pretext. I fear that the anarchist forgets that people can be corruptable and that all people are indeed, different with different views of the world. As long as there isn't unified consent in an anarchy, then there is chaos. And with the knowledge we know of the history of humanity, a unified consent of the people on issues have only falsely existed under totalitarian states by the whims of a dictator. A bottom up government with no central authority is also scary. Give something like that 20 years, and you'll have power hungry bastards with good oratory skills empowering the people to rise up and strike their neighbors, because as the saying goes, the grass is always greener on the otherside. You'll have little pockets of warlords battling it out over territory. I believe they called that the middle ages.
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01-25-04, 06:17 AM
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that is because people are greedy and selfish if we could really respect and protect without needing to police each other and turn off the goddamn tv we might just be able to do what we want 
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01-25-04, 07:16 AM
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You guys should read Omage to Catalonia. It's an example of true Anarchy in action. It took place in Spain during the Spanish Civil war. And it was a good thing. There are a lot of different philosphies behind anarchy. That seems to be a common misconception that all anarchists detest private property.
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01-25-04, 07:35 AM
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__________________ Warm Regards, Trey Brister Nature abhors a vacuum and religion is a powerful civilizing and socializing force. It is not perfect, but at least it does not deny human nature. Most leftest ideology is based upon the idea that evil is the result of social conditions/injustice, and simple misunderstandings. Man's nature is seen as both inherently good and infinitely malleable. It is believed that man can be made into something better through education and other social endeavors. The truth is that human nature is not inherently good and neither is terribly changable. Any system that denies the truth about human nature will be the victim of it. Communism is only one of the more horrific examples of this fundamental truth. I understand why you're a socialist. You want to make the world a better place. What you need to understand is that not everyone can be helped and those who can are best served by providing them with the opportunity to help themselves. | |
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01-25-04, 08:12 AM
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I don't think this example is really the model of libertarianism that modern anarchists envision. With the injustiice and mass murder governments are responsible for, in every period of history, self-governance is logically the ideal situation for men. Any true conservative would agree ideologically with that. It seems we're not ready for self-government now, but perhaps we'll never learn unless we try. Truth is the reason anarchy likely won't work now is the same as the reason why government doesn't either... greed, irrationality, and ignorance.
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01-25-04, 12:17 PM
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I figured it would be a good excuse to start a discussion on anarchism. Scraped knees for all! I'll answer the serious responses later.
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01-25-04, 02:45 PM
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The reality is, until we learn to overcome issues of the darker side of the human psyche, no government will ever be a good government. I still believe in a representative government. A government with limited terms of services and where laws can continue to be fine tuned and tweaked to the needs of its populace. We are still a long way off from self-governance...
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01-25-04, 03:39 PM
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Utopia is called Utopia because it is no where - literally If the argument runs like this..... government will cease to exist when its usefulness has ceased....then it says nothing. A presupposition of anarchy, as I have had it explained to me, is that individuals will act in a way as to not come into conflict with others. Which is to say, when people have evolved into angels....blah blah blah |
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01-25-04, 03:46 PM
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anarchy cannot function in a global sense. sure, anarchy could run a small town or village, but to actually maintain a high global standard of living, the bulk of mass opinion and decisions make the governance not work. besides, anarchy is simply unnatural. all social creatures of all phylum, order, and species all organise behind a creature that runs things. from the queen bee and ant, to the alpha male ape, its all organised. anarchy is unnnatural. |
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