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Ryan · 01-25-04, 10:49 PM

Remember all those posts you made about how you had information that David Kay was about to come out with all kinds of evidence proving the WMD's? Remember?????

Well, now he says there are none.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=4200706

NOT Bush '04

01-26-04, 12:17 AM

d'oh!

Ryan · 01-26-04, 12:12 PM

Seriously, did you get a chance to check it out yet? Maybe the reply button is working? Just wondering what your inside sources were saying about all of this?

bfp · 01-26-04, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by Ryan
Seriously, did you get a chance to check it out yet? Maybe the reply button is working? Just wondering what your inside sources were saying about all of this?

There may not have been massive stockpiles of weapons, but there is evidence that weapons material and the like- were shipped out of Iraq before the war that should have been included in the UN reports. I do not believe that anyone would take the word of Saddam Hussein regarding this issue anyway, and I do not know why anyone is still arguing against the removal of the guy. It was a good thing. It's over and done with. And to suggest that the Bush Administration had something else up their sleeve other than to protect America, such as making money, is pure guess-work at this point. And a rather absurd accusation at that.

Weapons Hunt

Hey Bubu · 01-26-04, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by bfp
I do not know why anyone is still arguing against the removal of the guy. It was a good thing.

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I don't think there's any doubt that he shouldn't be in power, the issue at hand is that the government lied and twisted all sorts of information to gain control of Iraq.

Where is Osama? where are the terrorists that attacked our country? where are the heads of these organizations? Terrorism will still go on wether Saddam is in power or not. The events of 9/11 have been used as a way to move our country into a fucked up "war" that is based on lies and personal gains for those in power. Of course all the while our guy and girls and being killed for no fucking reason.

johnny861 · 01-26-04, 01:14 PM

Here's something to think about...

If you really knew that WMD did not exist, why then outright lie to the public with the WMD issue and then go to war, only knowing that you wouldn't turn up WMDs, the world would condemn your actions and you might risk impeachment?

He may not be the brightest man, but I don't think he's stupid enough to blantantly shoot his political career in the foot...

01-26-04, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnny861
Here's something to think about...

If you really knew that WMD did not exist, why then outright lie to the public with the WMD issue and then go to war, only knowing that you wouldn't turn up WMDs, the world would condemn your actions and you might risk impeachment?

He may not be the brightest man, but I don't think he's stupid enough to blantantly shoot his political career in the foot...

to support your point....

We know Saddam had WMDs as recently as 1998 by a report by UN inspectors to the UN.

We know Sadam used chemical weapons against both Kurds and Iranians.

We know Saddam refused access to UN WMDs inspectors - would he do this to hide WMDs or to hide that he didn't have them?

If GW knew they didn't exist - he still had - and in fact used as part of his justification for going into Iraq - the argument that we are merely enforcing 17 UN resolutions passwed over 11 years to deal with Saddam

Oddly enough - GW going into Iraq in some ways saved the UN - had he not used force would UN sanctions, threats etc have any teeth? Only the credible threat of force makes them believeable.

Hey Bubu · 01-26-04, 01:33 PM

One of the biggest criticisms I have is that we went over the UN's head and went to war preemptively, now we are asking the UN for help in rebuilding Iraq.

I'm still asking where Osama is....

moshen · 01-26-04, 01:36 PM

unless the united states installs another dictator in iraq that is happy to accomidate US coporate intrests, there is very high chance of someone even more discontent with the US to come to power. possibly radical musim clerics and thier followers who thought even saddam was promoting a secular government.

taliban II anyone??

i won't deny that saddam and his cronies were bad guys. but guess who put him in power and supported his bloodlust? the good ol US of A. goes to show where the real "axis of evil" lies.

i think our country needs to stop messing with the developing world and trying to mold other countries into washingtons globalization plan.

it makes me sick.

01-26-04, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TypeH
One of the biggest criticisms I have is that we went over the UN's head and went to war preemptively, now we are asking the UN for help in rebuilding Iraq.

I'm still asking where Osama is....

The UN pisses itself whenever a bullet has to be fired.

We went over the head of the UN in Kosovo and Bosnia as well.....

And, most importantly - the UN is not our government and shouldn't be, is not democratically elected etc etc etc

The UN is a joke - its only real authority is the willingness of the US to enforce its resolutions.

Ryan · 01-26-04, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnny861
Here's something to think about...

If you really knew that WMD did not exist, why then outright lie to the public with the WMD issue and then go to war, only knowing that you wouldn't turn up WMDs, the world would condemn your actions and you might risk impeachment?

He may not be the brightest man, but I don't think he's stupid enough to blantantly shoot his political career in the foot...

That's not a very good point. We can't find anything now, but Bush supporters could care less. We could search for 100 years and never find a thing, and most Republicans would still insist they are there. And we are being condemned by the world community, but they don't give it a second thought. I think Bush understood the kind of people who put him into power and he knew he'd never have to really pay the consequences.

Ryan · 01-26-04, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bfp
There may not have been massive stockpiles of weapons, but there is evidence that weapons material and the like- were shipped out of Iraq before the war that should have been included in the UN reports. I do not believe that anyone would take the word of Saddam Hussein regarding this issue anyway, and I do not know why anyone is still arguing against the removal of the guy. It was a good thing. It's over and done with. And to suggest that the Bush Administration had something else up their sleeve other than to protect America, such as making money, is pure guess-work at this point. And a rather absurd accusation at that.

Weapons Hunt

Not arguing against the removal of the guy, arguing against all of the reasons the president gave us for going to war. Just because there are positive side effects of this thing does not mean it's automatically justified. Bush has an absolute obligation to the people who are paying for this war to justify the information he based it upon, and he appears to be increasingly incapable of doing so. So stop trying to sell everyone on this idea of a humanitarian war, because you know as well as I do that's nothing but rhetoric.

Ryan · 01-26-04, 02:08 PM

More fun from Ashcroft on the issue:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109471,00.html

Do you guys actually take these clowns seriously, or do you just see them as more fit than the Dems? I mean this guy, especially, is just frightening as hell...

bfp · 01-26-04, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Not arguing against the removal of the guy, arguing against all of the reasons the president gave us for going to war. Just because there are positive side effects of this thing does not mean it's automatically justified. Bush has an absolute obligation to the people who are paying for this war to justify the information he based it upon, and he appears to be increasingly incapable of doing so. So stop trying to sell everyone on this idea of a humanitarian war, because you know as well as I do that's nothing but rhetoric.

I think it's obvious that the advisors within the B-Administration sold the war-plan to the world the wrong way. Powell urged Bush to go to the UN regarding the WMD issue, being that France told us that they would back our plan, but whose suprised that they sold us out in the end? But I suppose if they would have come straight forward saying it was WWIII against islamic fascism it would have been a little more appropriate.

01-26-04, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryan
Not arguing against the removal of the guy, arguing against all of the reasons the president gave us for going to war. Just because there are positive side effects of this thing does not mean it's automatically justified. Bush has an absolute obligation to the people who are paying for this war to justify the information he based it upon, and he appears to be increasingly incapable of doing so. So stop trying to sell everyone on this idea of a humanitarian war, because you know as well as I do that's nothing but rhetoric.

The justification was not exclusively based on Saddam's possession of WMDs.

You either support taking him out or you don't. Take your pick.

01-25-04, 10:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ryan Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,783	Hey bfp, check it out! Remember all those posts you made about how you had information that David Kay was about to come out with all kinds of evidence proving the WMD's? Remember????? Well, now he says there are none. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=4200706 NOT Bush '04

01-26-04, 01:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
Hey Bubu Funky Spunk Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: take a left at the cow Posts: 17,124	One of the biggest criticisms I have is that we went over the UN's head and went to war preemptively, now we are asking the UN for help in rebuilding Iraq. I'm still asking where Osama is.... __________________ "We're so engaged in doing things to achieve purposes of outer value that we forget that the inner value, the rapture that is associated with being alive, is what it's all about." --Joseph Campbell,

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Ryan Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,783	Seriously, did you get a chance to check it out yet? Maybe the reply button is working? Just wondering what your inside sources were saying about all of this?

01-26-04, 01:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
moshen Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: 30 paces northwest Posts: 839	unless the united states installs another dictator in iraq that is happy to accomidate US coporate intrests, there is very high chance of someone even more discontent with the US to come to power. possibly radical musim clerics and thier followers who thought even saddam was promoting a secular government. taliban II anyone?? i won't deny that saddam and his cronies were bad guys. but guess who put him in power and supported his bloodlust? the good ol US of A. goes to show where the real "axis of evil" lies. i think our country needs to stop messing with the developing world and trying to mold other countries into washingtons globalization plan. it makes me sick.

01-26-04, 02:08 PM	#13 (permalink)
Ryan Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,783	More fun from Ashcroft on the issue: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109471,00.html Do you guys actually take these clowns seriously, or do you just see them as more fit than the Dems? I mean this guy, especially, is just frightening as hell...