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02-28-04, 03:15 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatecha...153530,00.html

Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us

· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war
· Britain will be 'Siberian' in less than 20 years
· Threat to the world is greater than terrorism

Mark Townsend and Paul Harris in New York
Sunday February 22, 2004
The Observer

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..
A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.

'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'

The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has insisted national defence is a priority.

The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military thinking over the past three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping recent review aimed at transforming the American military under Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network.

An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is 'plausible and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately', they conclude. As early as next year widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval for millions.

Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire from a large body of respected scientists who claimed that it cherry-picked science to suit its policy agenda and suppressed studies that it did not like. Jeremy Symons, a former whistleblower at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), said that suppression of the report for four months was a further example of the White House trying to bury the threat of climate change.

Senior climatologists, however, believe that their verdicts could prove the catalyst in forcing Bush to accept climate change as a real and happening phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United States to sign up to global treaties to reduce the rate of climatic change.

A group of eminent UK scientists recently visited the White House to voice their fears over global warming, part of an intensifying drive to get the US to treat the issue seriously. Sources have told The Observer that American officials appeared extremely sensitive about the issue when faced with complaints that America's public stance appeared increasingly out of touch.

One even alleged that the White House had written to complain about some of the comments attributed to Professor Sir David King, Tony Blair's chief scientific adviser, after he branded the President's position on the issue as indefensible.

Among those scientists present at the White House talks were Professor John Schellnhuber, former chief environmental adviser to the German government and head of the UK's leading group of climate scientists at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research. He said that the Pentagon's internal fears should prove the 'tipping point' in persuading Bush to accept climatic change.

Sir John Houghton, former chief executive of the Meteorological Office - and the first senior figure to liken the threat of climate change to that of terrorism - said: 'If the Pentagon is sending out that sort of message, then this is an important document indeed.'

Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon's dire warnings could no longer be ignored.

'Can Bush ignore the Pentagon? It's going be hard to blow off this sort of document. Its hugely embarrassing. After all, Bush's single highest priority is national defence. The Pentagon is no wacko, liberal group, generally speaking it is conservative. If climate change is a threat to national security and the economy, then he has to act. There are two groups the Bush Administration tend to listen to, the oil lobby and the Pentagon,' added Watson.

'You've got a President who says global warming is a hoax, and across the Potomac river you've got a Pentagon preparing for climate wars. It's pretty scary when Bush starts to ignore his own government on this issue,' said Rob Gueterbock of Greenpeace.

Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a higher population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic' shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder to overcome, plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200 years ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop failure, famine, disease and mass migration of populations that could soon be repeated.

Randall told The Observer that the potential ramifications of rapid climate change would create global chaos. 'This is depressing stuff,' he said. 'It is a national security threat that is unique because there is no enemy to point your guns at and we have no control over the threat.'

Randall added that it was already possibly too late to prevent a disaster happening. 'We don't know exactly where we are in the process. It could start tomorrow and we would not know for another five years,' he said.

'The consequences for some nations of the climate change are unbelievable. It seems obvious that cutting the use of fossil fuels would be worthwhile.'

So dramatic are the report's scenarios, Watson said, that they may prove vital in the US elections. Democratic frontrunner John Kerry is known to accept climate change as a real problem. Scientists disillusioned with Bush's stance are threatening to make sure Kerry uses the Pentagon report in his campaign.

The fact that Marshall is behind its scathing findings will aid Kerry's cause. Marshall, 82, is a Pentagon legend who heads a secretive think-tank dedicated to weighing risks to national security called the Office of Net Assessment. Dubbed 'Yoda' by Pentagon insiders who respect his vast experience, he is credited with being behind the Department of Defence's push on ballistic-missile defence.

Symons, who left the EPA in protest at political interference, said that the suppression of the report was a further instance of the White House trying to bury evidence of climate change. 'It is yet another example of why this government should stop burying its head in the sand on this issue.'

Symons said the Bush administration's close links to high-powered energy and oil companies was vital in understanding why climate change was received sceptically in the Oval Office. 'This administration is ignoring the evidence in order to placate a handful of large energy and oil companies,' he added.

02-28-04, 03:17 PM

and yes part of this is Bush's fault but we've been fucking our selves over for years just hoping none of this would pop up very soon, now it has, every suspicion I had is validated through this article, and all I had to do was use common sense.

USAcommitteeX · 02-28-04, 03:35 PM

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and yes part of this is Bush's fault

*BREAKING NEWS!* President George W. Bush destroys the earth.

I suppose we should start building spaceships so we can find new planets to inhabit eh? Just like that 70's sci fi tv series, Battlestar Galactica.

02-28-04, 05:01 PM

Mmm.......Interplanetary journeys

02-28-04, 05:49 PM

I don't really think that is entirely accurate.

For one, energy is NOT a problem. Through the use of breeder nuclear reactors (of which I believe at least a few exist), we have enough uranium-235, uranium-238 and plutonium stockpiles to power the entire planet for 10 billion years.. longer than we will be around I think. The entire power crisis issue revolves around fossil fuels which we honestly should not be using anymore anyway. Not when we have the technology to employ safe, clean, nuclear power and hydrogen power already.

And as far as the climate change.. well we all have seen the weather.. how often are weathermen right on?

Jay. · 02-28-04, 07:31 PM

I can tell you this. This is gonna suck for the people like me who are gonna live to see this. I fear for myself. Being 16 and all.I would hate to see the world pleuged by people who don't already suffer. I for one, am paranoid. I am stocking up on supplies, artilery, Food Rations, & elecronic devices. Who wants to start a DDM Malitia?

02-28-04, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phypha
I can tell you this. This is gonna suck for the people like me who are gonna live to see this. I fear for myself. Being 16 and all.I would hate to see the world pleuged by people who don't already suffer. I for one, am paranoid. I am stocking up on supplies, artilery, Food Rations, & elecronic devices. Who wants to start a DDM Malitia?

I"m about to start diggin underground and stockpiling weapons, call me paranoid but when the govt. gets out of control it isnt' gonna take me down.

Jay. · 02-28-04, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by Dj Bastard Mike
I"m about to start diggin underground and stockpiling weapons, call me paranoid but when the govt. gets out of control it isnt' gonna take me down.

Preach brotha. Who else wants to join the aliance? I ain't gonna be held down by government officials telling us what they do is for the best.

Bridger · 02-29-04, 05:33 PM

Im getting closer to the equator before they start conditioning us with plutonium in our chinese alphabet soup

Krash · 02-29-04, 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by zen2k
I don't really think that is entirely accurate.

For one, energy is NOT a problem. Through the use of breeder nuclear reactors (of which I believe at least a few exist), we have enough uranium-235, uranium-238 and plutonium stockpiles to power the entire planet for 10 billion years.. longer than we will be around I think. The entire power crisis issue revolves around fossil fuels which we honestly should not be using anymore anyway. Not when we have the technology to employ safe, clean, nuclear power and hydrogen power already.

And as far as the climate change.. well we all have seen the weather.. how often are weathermen right on?

Nuclear (fission) power, clean? Eh? I don't think so. Fusion, yes (though it still has environmental repercussions as it heats the water in the surrounding area).

No, energy may not be the problem, pollution certainly IS a problem - the millions of tonnes of pollution produced every year by our factories, chemical plants, motor vehicles, the list goes on, from all over the world. The cutting down of the rain forests, the lungs of the earth, and depletion of particular animal and fish stocks in a short sighted pursuit of profit and not a long term view of sustainability.

Environment wars, I can't wait

Big Andy · 02-29-04, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Krash
Environment wars, I can't wait

Yeah just wait till we have nothing but tree hugging environmentalist vegetarian hippies in office.

So who's voting for Nader this year?!

johnny861 · 03-01-04, 10:01 AM

It sure is a nice day out today! No, really! It is!

Element4040 · 03-01-04, 12:32 PM

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Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us

· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war
· Britain will be 'Siberian' in less than 20 years
· Threat to the world is greater than terrorism

Looks like the front page of the enquirer.

I call BS on most of the article. Anyone who doesn't think Global Warming exists is kidding themselves, but most of this article seems like a lot of speculation.

alexican · 03-01-04, 02:47 PM

*see bridger's thread for my thoughts*Click my POOF!

03-01-04, 02:51 PM

well considering that the US is only ONE of the worlds producers of Green House gases, i dont think that we should be the sole source of blame for this.
Consider that China is largely powered by coal. England is a major coal consumer, so is the former soviet union (mind you that there are large stretches of Russia that make love canal, the hudson river, and the appalacian coal slags look like yellowstone.)

to say that the US is the sole polluter of the world is naive and blame searching. if the worlds ecosystem is going to shit. then there is no one nation to focus on.

02-28-04, 03:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
Bastard Mike Guest Posts: n/a	Looks like America will be the end of us all. http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatecha...153530,00.html Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us · Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war · Britain will be 'Siberian' in less than 20 years · Threat to the world is greater than terrorism Mark Townsend and Paul Harris in New York Sunday February 22, 2004 The Observer Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters.. A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world. The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents. 'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.' The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has insisted national defence is a priority. The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military thinking over the past three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping recent review aimed at transforming the American military under Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network. An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is 'plausible and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately', they conclude. As early as next year widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval for millions. Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire from a large body of respected scientists who claimed that it cherry-picked science to suit its policy agenda and suppressed studies that it did not like. Jeremy Symons, a former whistleblower at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), said that suppression of the report for four months was a further example of the White House trying to bury the threat of climate change. Senior climatologists, however, believe that their verdicts could prove the catalyst in forcing Bush to accept climate change as a real and happening phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United States to sign up to global treaties to reduce the rate of climatic change. A group of eminent UK scientists recently visited the White House to voice their fears over global warming, part of an intensifying drive to get the US to treat the issue seriously. Sources have told The Observer that American officials appeared extremely sensitive about the issue when faced with complaints that America's public stance appeared increasingly out of touch. One even alleged that the White House had written to complain about some of the comments attributed to Professor Sir David King, Tony Blair's chief scientific adviser, after he branded the President's position on the issue as indefensible. Among those scientists present at the White House talks were Professor John Schellnhuber, former chief environmental adviser to the German government and head of the UK's leading group of climate scientists at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research. He said that the Pentagon's internal fears should prove the 'tipping point' in persuading Bush to accept climatic change. Sir John Houghton, former chief executive of the Meteorological Office - and the first senior figure to liken the threat of climate change to that of terrorism - said: 'If the Pentagon is sending out that sort of message, then this is an important document indeed.' Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon's dire warnings could no longer be ignored. 'Can Bush ignore the Pentagon? It's going be hard to blow off this sort of document. Its hugely embarrassing. After all, Bush's single highest priority is national defence. The Pentagon is no wacko, liberal group, generally speaking it is conservative. If climate change is a threat to national security and the economy, then he has to act. There are two groups the Bush Administration tend to listen to, the oil lobby and the Pentagon,' added Watson. 'You've got a President who says global warming is a hoax, and across the Potomac river you've got a Pentagon preparing for climate wars. It's pretty scary when Bush starts to ignore his own government on this issue,' said Rob Gueterbock of Greenpeace. Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a higher population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic' shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder to overcome, plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200 years ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop failure, famine, disease and mass migration of populations that could soon be repeated. Randall told The Observer that the potential ramifications of rapid climate change would create global chaos. 'This is depressing stuff,' he said. 'It is a national security threat that is unique because there is no enemy to point your guns at and we have no control over the threat.' Randall added that it was already possibly too late to prevent a disaster happening. 'We don't know exactly where we are in the process. It could start tomorrow and we would not know for another five years,' he said. 'The consequences for some nations of the climate change are unbelievable. It seems obvious that cutting the use of fossil fuels would be worthwhile.' So dramatic are the report's scenarios, Watson said, that they may prove vital in the US elections. Democratic frontrunner John Kerry is known to accept climate change as a real problem. Scientists disillusioned with Bush's stance are threatening to make sure Kerry uses the Pentagon report in his campaign. The fact that Marshall is behind its scathing findings will aid Kerry's cause. Marshall, 82, is a Pentagon legend who heads a secretive think-tank dedicated to weighing risks to national security called the Office of Net Assessment. Dubbed 'Yoda' by Pentagon insiders who respect his vast experience, he is credited with being behind the Department of Defence's push on ballistic-missile defence. Symons, who left the EPA in protest at political interference, said that the suppression of the report was a further instance of the White House trying to bury evidence of climate change. 'It is yet another example of why this government should stop burying its head in the sand on this issue.' Symons said the Bush administration's close links to high-powered energy and oil companies was vital in understanding why climate change was received sceptically in the Oval Office. 'This administration is ignoring the evidence in order to placate a handful of large energy and oil companies,' he added.

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02-28-04, 03:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
Bastard Mike Guest Posts: n/a	and yes part of this is Bush's fault but we've been fucking our selves over for years just hoping none of this would pop up very soon, now it has, every suspicion I had is validated through this article, and all I had to do was use common sense.

02-28-04, 05:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
nada_clue Guest Posts: n/a	Mmm.......Interplanetary journeys

02-28-04, 05:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
zen2k Guest Posts: n/a	I don't really think that is entirely accurate. For one, energy is NOT a problem. Through the use of breeder nuclear reactors (of which I believe at least a few exist), we have enough uranium-235, uranium-238 and plutonium stockpiles to power the entire planet for 10 billion years.. longer than we will be around I think. The entire power crisis issue revolves around fossil fuels which we honestly should not be using anymore anyway. Not when we have the technology to employ safe, clean, nuclear power and hydrogen power already. And as far as the climate change.. well we all have seen the weather.. how often are weathermen right on?

03-01-04, 02:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
Dropzone Guest Posts: n/a	well considering that the US is only ONE of the worlds producers of Green House gases, i dont think that we should be the sole source of blame for this. Consider that China is largely powered by coal. England is a major coal consumer, so is the former soviet union (mind you that there are large stretches of Russia that make love canal, the hudson river, and the appalacian coal slags look like yellowstone.) to say that the US is the sole polluter of the world is naive and blame searching. if the worlds ecosystem is going to shit. then there is no one nation to focus on.