Do mix shows & DJ sets online ultimately hurt or help the scene, sales wise?

[Subzero]

As a Strongarm Sessions addict, I got to thinking...

Does the wide availability of mix shows, coupled with the delay of most tracks making it to market ultimately detract from sales? For me, no, but as a whole I do think it has a negative impact. Lately, I've been buying alot more stuff because of the proliferation of DJ sets being made available. But I think for most people, once they get a DJ set with a particular track, it lessens the chance that they will purchase that track. Especially since maybe 1% of listeners are DJ's. (I may be the exception as someone who doesn't DJ, but collects beats like a crack whore.)

Secondly, it seems that everyone ONLY wants to play the newest material. In genres where most tracks take 6 months to a year to be commercially available, it seems most people view tracks as old practically before they are new. Shack is super generous letting people download his blinding sets, but I wonder if his original material suffers down the line because thousands of people have been jamming it in their cars for months.

I can name tons of Elite Force tracks/remixes and others from his show that I will buy the second the opportunity is available, just curious what others thought about this?

Jon

i reckon it helps the producers with sales as it gives djs a heads up on what maybe to buy.

[Cos]

Originally Posted by Subzero

Especially since maybe 1% of listeners are DJ's.

Great question... however id like to inject that its to my belief, and understanding, that a very LARGE amount of listeners are djs. Close to %50, if not more. Granted i dont have proof of that, but i think its common knowledge, that the EDM scene is only alive as much as it is, b/c of Djs. But either way, its a great question.

it helpsss

Mix shows along with cd-r technology and Ableton Live are killing the scene like cancer. The keeping it real to not keeping it real ratio is way off. Something must be done or people will never dance again.

miles needs to fix the scene with his radioactive eyeballs

[david austin]

Originally Posted by -m-

Mix shows along with cd-r technology and Ableton Live are killing the scene like cancer. The keeping it real to not keeping it real ratio is way off. Something must be done or people will never dance again.

These are the type of responses that for the life of me I cannot understand. Nobody is killing anything... it's evolving. Has the advent of the CDR hurt some peoples sales... yeah, to an extent. But it has also created a large avenue for up and coming producers to showcase thier work without paying thousands to press a potentially crap record.

I wonder how exactly you define your 'keeping it real' ratio. I mean seriously.. wtf is that?? It doesn't really matter how a dj presents his music. It all comes out of the speakers the same way. And if you really think that people dance just because some guy in a booth plays vinyl then I think you have it all wrong to begin with.

When a dj chooses to play an unreleased cdr from a given producer he knows that people will hear the track and want it. If it is something that is an will be unreleased for awhile then people are going to tinker with it in soundforge, ableton, etc. Well, in my opinion... if you can cut up a track and glue it back together to create your own personal edit of an otherwise unreleased track then more power to you!! Odds are that the people that actually take the time to do this are going to buy the track if it ever comes out anyway. And if the track never comes out then you have essentially just made your own edit... which, unless you to try to sell as your own, gives you the ability to have a track nobody else is playing.

So how is all of this killing everything again??

The fact is that the tech has put the dj/producer in a position to greatly expand his musical abilities beyond cutting and juggling two records. If anything I think this will expand peoples ears and create much more technically skilled shows with live re-edits and samples that could never be done 5 years ago.

[Cos]

Originally Posted by david austin

These are the type of responses that for the life of me I cannot understand. Nobody is killing anything... it's evolving. Has the advent of the CDR hurt some peoples sales... yeah, to an extent. But it has also created a large avenue for up and coming producers to showcase thier work without paying thousands to press a potentially crap record.

I wonder how exactly you define your 'keeping it real' ratio. I mean seriously.. wtf is that?? It doesn't really matter how a dj presents his music. It all comes out of the speakers the same way. And if you really think that people dance just because some guy in a booth plays vinyl then I think you have it all wrong to begin with.

When a dj chooses to play an unreleased cdr from a given producer he knows that people will hear the track and want it. If it is something that is an will be unreleased for awhile then people are going to tinker with it in soundforge, ableton, etc. Well, in my opinion... if you can cut up a track and glue it back together to create your own personal edit of an otherwise unreleased track then more power to you!! Odds are that the people that actually take the time to do this are going to buy the track if it ever comes out anyway. And if the track never comes out then you have essentially just made your own edit... which, unless you to try to sell as your own, gives you the ability to have a track nobody else is playing.

So how is all of this killing everything again??

The fact is that the tech has put the dj/producer in a position to greatly expand his musical abilities beyond cutting and juggling two records. If anything I think this will expand peoples ears and create much more technically skilled shows with live re-edits and samples that could never be done 5 years ago.

You said it man... couldnt have said it any better myself, i agree 100%.

[Merlin]

people who resist technology change are funny. I think that internet distribution will change everything and if you think that the boom is over, haha!!! just wait

[amigo7dfw]

Originally Posted by Cos

You said it man... couldnt have said it any better myself, i agree 100%.

what you were agreeing with.
David and I have a lot of similiar beliefs about the scene.
Also I did not want to quote him, then people would think we are friends.j/k

[:Psyborg]

Originally Posted by david austin

These are the type of responses that for the life of me I cannot understand. Nobody is killing anything... it's evolving. Has the advent of the CDR hurt some peoples sales... yeah, to an extent. But it has also created a large avenue for up and coming producers to showcase thier work without paying thousands to press a potentially crap record.

I wonder how exactly you define your 'keeping it real' ratio. I mean seriously.. wtf is that?? It doesn't really matter how a dj presents his music. It all comes out of the speakers the same way. And if you really think that people dance just because some guy in a booth plays vinyl then I think you have it all wrong to begin with.

When a dj chooses to play an unreleased cdr from a given producer he knows that people will hear the track and want it. If it is something that is an will be unreleased for awhile then people are going to tinker with it in soundforge, ableton, etc. Well, in my opinion... if you can cut up a track and glue it back together to create your own personal edit of an otherwise unreleased track then more power to you!! Odds are that the people that actually take the time to do this are going to buy the track if it ever comes out anyway. And if the track never comes out then you have essentially just made your own edit... which, unless you to try to sell as your own, gives you the ability to have a track nobody else is playing.

So how is all of this killing everything again??

The fact is that the tech has put the dj/producer in a position to greatly expand his musical abilities beyond cutting and juggling two records. If anything I think this will expand peoples ears and create much more technically skilled shows with live re-edits and samples that could never be done 5 years ago.

wow, did u really think he was serious?

[Xmuzik]

they help the scene because if you didn't have alot of free advertising via mixes & free mp3's the electronic music scene would be hurting big time..... the thing to do is for artists to take full advantage of all the free air time & downloads & make the most of that opportunity.

as far as electronic music not selling that well, everyone including myself just has to keep trying to break through barriers & put out products that people will want in stores because its being requested...... luck is the residue of hard work

and your right electronic music does need to have a attention span that lasts longer than 1 weekend, hip hop , country, rock etc. constantly give shout outs to old school artists & albums which is 1 thing electronic artists don't do.....

i dont think cd-r , software , computers , etc. are killing the scene at all in fact i think that its saving it from dieing off for alot of people. after the raids in the late 90's & early 00's where mtv pulled the plug on the amp , & what little bit of massv touring was going on via moonshines overamerica tour , planet of the drums , etc. it really looked like in america that a electronic show was going to turn into 100 burnouts in a room with a strobe light but things have slowly from what i've seen around the country gained more & more steam.....

the scene has become more than dj's , nightclubs , & raves...... there festivals , concerts , mp3's , cd's , clothing , commericals, dvd's , online radio shows, satellite radio shows , forums , websites , portals , software , blogs, mp3's wmv's , avi's , tv shows & stations dedicated to electronic music in some markets , music videos , turntable heads , gear heads ,video game freaks, vj artists , anime addicts , etc. etc. etc. that all have their little clicks along with all the trance tweekers, hardcore purists , house heads , drum n bass nuts , etc. etc. etc. & the list can keep going on until your blue in the face from trying to figure out what everyones into because the culture as far as electronic music is concerned has branched out in so many directions

there needs to be a rally point , a album , movement , or spark of some type to get people back into the magick of going out & loving the rebellion of the music along with the mystic & futuristic sides of it that made alot of us want to swing from the ceiling when we 1st heard it that in some way can bring everyone together instead of being splintered in 1000 different directions .........

enough rambling i could go on all night ....... to make a long story short , embrace the future ,try something new , tell a friend , & look forward to things changing its how we all got here in the 1st place.......

[Keith P]

I feel mix sets help as it might otherwise expose people to music they've never heard of or haven't the slightest clue on how to find. This is why I'll post up links to music and video clips, post up mixes, or hand out cds.

Pirating material ultimately hurts the scene as artists need revenue to create revenue. Especially when we're discussing small music scenes with no mainstream backing, and do it yourself business ethics.

[Soccer Mom]

Originally Posted by -m-

Mix shows along with cd-r technology and Ableton Live are killing the scene like cancer. The keeping it real to not keeping it real ratio is way off. Something must be done or people will never dance again.

You people need to stop killing rave with science and technology.

[jeffspock]

doesn't kill anything. only helps imo.