Current Purchasing Trends

I don't want to turn this thread into a debate or anything, but am running this poll on several message boards to get a small perspective of the industry before our label is launched. I hope it can be somewhat useful to others out there.

Also, please respond with what physical and online stores you are purchasing from as well as about how much you spend per month.

Please do not include free promos and transfers.

Thank you!

[Jason-X]

Originally Posted by Kelle Marie

I don't want to turn this thread into a debate or anything, but am running this poll on several message boards to get a small perspective of the industry before our label is launched. I hope it can be somewhat useful to others out there.

Also, please respond with what physical and online stores you are purchasing from as well as about how much you spend per month.

Please do not include free promos and transfers.

Thank you!

I'd say the U.s market is very slow and its very evident when we as a store have trouble securing vinly copies from our distributors.That just means the label's press lower quantities.Thats also going for every genre too! The guys at Syntax run several labels which i know you are aware, and i think its all about distribution, who is pushing your product. i find that not every store use's Syntax , or Watts so its also about finding other source's to sell your stuff too. The cost for vinyl is very high, and selling 500 or so copies isn't as easy as it use to be. I'm not trying to intimadate you , infact Demarkus (for instance is established here and abroad) so getting distribution shouldn't be hard , and selling records almost goes hand in hand with that. As a store ordering quanities of a record comes down to demand, availability, and most of all having someone willing to push the product. Eric does his fare share of ordering what he know's will move instantly and then he also determine's what will have to be agressively pushed so he orders one copy or so.

you didnt have my option up there:

0% vinyl
0% digital
0% anything else

i'm a broke ass bitch right now

[Holmes Davis]

yeah I notice slow or no restocks when on-line ordering, I know its proly unavoidable...but it bites when you can't buy the tune as soon as it comes out, and the label never presses/distributor never carries anymore and your SOL

And if your reading this Hipp-E, tell your distributors to send more of your stuff.....its not right there should be 10 brett johnson choons but only 2 copies of your stuff making it to Dallas!!!!! {no offense to BJ}





Btw Watts is great, there selection was fantastic

[Xmuzik]

mp3 all the way, except for a few cd purchases when i can't buy the mp3...........

[Carl Katana]

Jason,

I have never bought vinyl from you. Or may never for that matter... If you will remember... I called one evening to say what's up and ask about playing for you possibly dropping you a demo from my Live P.A. set and you flat turned me down Jason. I clearly understood your reasons and I am not mad about it, you just struck a nerve deep inside me speaking negatively about why you turn down old school talent and what you felt about "people who have had their time".

You said that you had young kids in your shop paying hundreds of dollars a week for records and they if anything deserved the chance to play at your "Weekly Winedowns" or whatever venues you have going. I know what you are doing Jason... You are not promoting the music, you said it yourself best...

"I am a salesman, I own a recordshop and sell records to kids whom pay a lot of money everyweek, they deserve the chance to play for me, not old school people like you. Noboby cares for the Rob Vaugns, the 4-Peaces, The Merrits, and such. They are all old school. They have had their time, this is a new time and the young talent is what counts."

These kids feel like you are doing something great for them... I'm not going to take that away from them... They are starting out and I am for that. Hell, I was once that way to. I don't forget. Not letting people play the don't buy from you is in my opinion.... Wrong.

But selling records and letting them play them so that they will come back for more everyweek is nothing but "pimping your customers". I know several people whom have quit coming to you for several reasons, They chose to go elsewhere.

To say forget the old school... Dude, you have no idea.
I was part of the first original party crew in Fort Worth... ANOMALY. We were throwing down free back ally parties on Foch street, warehouse parties on Main Street (across from what is now Axis), store fronts on highway 80, warehouses on 121. Hell, Matt (4-Peace), Britton, Michael Todd, Joel Alamo and Mellisa was there with us for almost all of this. It was pure and simple... It was about the music. Not MONEY. We are the ones who got things rolling in Fort Worth. For you to come in plant a record shop does not make you supreme. Just remember... every thing that goes up must come down. You will have this happen to you. I have been listening in several circles about you when you name comes up and I am sure that you would not like what is being said about you when you are not around.

Young people will be nice to your face because they have something to gain from you, free cover, a chance to play, whatever. It's the older ones that don't care for shitty attitudes and will go somewhere else. Consider us the silent shoppers... I buy 15 plus records every month online. Would you let me play if I bought my wax from you??? Probably so. I just don't agree with what you said to me. I am not on this rant to say that I am demanding respect from you because i and producing and don't need you or your manipulative efforts to make a dime. I just have a problem in which you conveyed your message about the people whom helped make the scene what it is.

I was once new talent back in 93-94, I have had my fair share of playing in clubs and raves, I would never give that up for anything. There is a point in which some DJ's get tired of buying other peoples music and start making their own and that is where I am at. I currently have 42 completed and mastered tracks. I played 22 original tracks at Liquid in a Live P.A. before they closed. That crowd was dancing like they were doing aerobics. That place freakin rocked that night! We all know good music/production when we hear it. I feel that I am there, that is why I play out and share my music. I am not looking for superstar status or anything. Music is a sickness to me and I like to share it whenever possible.

I just see you answering about whom buy what wax/cds and thought that I would share my thoughts and experience with you. Like I said, I am not mad at you.
Just disappointed.


Good luck in your efforts...


Carl Katana

[Trek]

i like to buy my music on vinyl even if it's not dance music. as of now i'm not really too keen on paying for mp3's regardless of the label selling them.

[Kiri]

trek - i took the "digital" to mean cd, btw, not mp3....

kelle - i know we're involved with completely different music scenes, and therefore different consumer purchasing tastes, but we (acidance records) have never pressed wax. cd only. wax is expensive, more difficult to sell, and requires a different mastering process than cds. btw - by more difficult to sell, i mean that in today's market the average consumer / listener much more likely has a cd player as opposed to a turntable. by pressing on wax, you are effectively cutting back your marketing potential and listener base by catering primarily to djs as opposed to the average listener. just my .02, but perhaps something to take into consideration....

[Xmuzik]

i agree....... i only buy vinyl by bands & artists i really like such as " Acid Bath's " When The Kite String Pops ...... i also have no plans on opening it so that my kids can enjoy a good perfect pressed old school recording 1 day .......... vinyl mostly is a dj / collector market , which in my opinion is 1 of many reasons why the electronic music culture over the last 4-5 years has had almost no growth what so ever.......

i also don't beleive that 1 format is better than another ....... its all about preference & taste , the best thing to do in music is do like people in the video game industry do .... buy something from everybody that way you have a wide variety instead of just sticking to nintendo only , ps2 , xbox, etc.... you end up with a better expereince that way

the same goes for production ..... don't just be house , or just drum n bass , etc. use all of your musical influences to make productions better , because we all are influenced by more than just electronic music somewhere along the road

[SnoWhite]

I enjoy watching a DJ that uses records much more than just a CDJ.

[downlow]

It's great you are starting a label Kelle. Just remember labels were born to be fucked by distributors. Distribution of vinyl in america is dying. We don't sell but perhaps maybe 100 copies of our records in the US as compared to 800 to 1200+ in Europe and elsewhere. Funding the pressing yourself is a good idea as long as you have distribution to back it up. And working with a reputable company is a good idea. beware of P&D packages unless of course you have a great working relationship with the people you deal with. I still don't believe it wil bring your label any major profit. If you want to sustain as a label, be VERSATILE! release a wide variety of output...sign artists whom will bring the label attention and work on releasing not just EPs but albums... CDs is another thing. When releasing a CD, make sure it is something that will cross different marketing demographics. CDs are hard to sell in a dance market unless you can put out something unique that has not been done before. You will be respected for it and followed for years to come. Also remember quality control... there are a bazillion labels that boast a huge back catalog but when you go back and review it release to release...most of it was filler or just another record played by the 100 djs that one week it was released. good luck and don't necessarily follow the industry trends. fake right and go left!

[Jason-X]

Originally Posted by Carl Katana

Jason,

I have never bought vinyl from you. Or may never for that matter... If you will remember... I called one evening to say what's up and ask about playing for you possibly dropping you a demo from my Live P.A. set and you flat turned me down Jason. I clearly understood your reasons and I am not mad about it, you just struck a nerve deep inside me speaking negatively about why you turn down old school talent and what you felt about "people who have had their time".

You said that you had young kids in your shop paying hundreds of dollars a week for records and they if anything deserved the chance to play at your "Weekly Winedowns" or whatever venues you have going. I know what you are doing Jason... You are not promoting the music, you said it yourself best...

"I am a salesman, I own a recordshop and sell records to kids whom pay a lot of money everyweek, they deserve the chance to play for me, not old school people like you. Noboby cares for the Rob Vaugns, the 4-Peaces, The Merrits, and such. They are all old school. They have had their time, this is a new time and the young talent is what counts."

These kids feel like you are doing something great for them... I'm not going to take that away from them... They are starting out and I am for that. Hell, I was once that way to. I don't forget. Not letting people play the don't buy from you is in my opinion.... Wrong.

But selling records and letting them play them so that they will come back for more everyweek is nothing but "pimping your customers". I know several people whom have quit coming to you for several reasons, They chose to go elsewhere.

To say forget the old school... Dude, you have no idea.
I was part of the first original party crew in Fort Worth... ANOMALY. We were throwing down free back ally parties on Foch street, warehouse parties on Main Street (across from what is now Axis), store fronts on highway 80, warehouses on 121. Hell, Matt (4-Peace), Britton, Michael Todd, Joel Alamo and Mellisa was there with us for almost all of this. It was pure and simple... It was about the music. Not MONEY. We are the ones who got things rolling in Fort Worth. For you to come in plant a record shop does not make you supreme. Just remember... every thing that goes up must come down. You will have this happen to you. I have been listening in several circles about you when you name comes up and I am sure that you would not like what is being said about you when you are not around.

Young people will be nice to your face because they have something to gain from you, free cover, a chance to play, whatever. It's the older ones that don't care for shitty attitudes and will go somewhere else. Consider us the silent shoppers... I buy 15 plus records every month online. Would you let me play if I bought my wax from you??? Probably so. I just don't agree with what you said to me. I am not on this rant to say that I am demanding respect from you because i and producing and don't need you or your manipulative efforts to make a dime. I just have a problem in which you conveyed your message about the people whom helped make the scene what it is.

I was once new talent back in 93-94, I have had my fair share of playing in clubs and raves, I would never give that up for anything. There is a point in which some DJ's get tired of buying other peoples music and start making their own and that is where I am at. I currently have 42 completed and mastered tracks. I played 22 original tracks at Liquid in a Live P.A. before they closed. That crowd was dancing like they were doing aerobics. That place freakin rocked that night! We all know good music/production when we hear it. I feel that I am there, that is why I play out and share my music. I am not looking for superstar status or anything. Music is a sickness to me and I like to share it whenever possible.

I just see you answering about whom buy what wax/cds and thought that I would share my thoughts and experience with you. Like I said, I am not mad at you.
Just disappointed.


Good luck in your efforts...


Carl Katana

Karl what does any of what you are speaking of have to do with what Kelle is talking about? You wanna dedicate a response towards me pal fine ... my phone number is right below. This was honest feedback given because i'm in a position to know, and here you go talking about a conversation that happened months (try 5) ago, and its completely uncalled for on this thread.

On another note ,i think what you wrote is very typical of you, i remember some other threads on here that you were involved in that were negative, and for one i've never mentioned any of the names you posted, infact some of those guys will tell you they wouldn't waste their time even coming out to Fort Worth. Your name droping doesn't earn you any points here buddy, and if you knew me like several people who post up here do , you would know i'm all about helping people out. In fact you called me , and for one came off like i owed you something , and i explained i had booked out all the nights(try once a week)to give some guys a chance ....just a small chance to actually experience what its like to even play out once and not one time have i EVER made it understood that they owed me somethingor had to keep buying records. Oh yeah by the way i don't run The Weekley Winedown Alexus Sanchez does...has been since it started.

Again you got something to say , i'm right here buddy, i would call you but your phone is disconnected.

[Sindell357]

wheres the choice for "im too poor to buy music right now"

LOL

[Trek]

Originally Posted by Mist

trek - i took the "digital" to mean cd, btw, not mp3....

word. i would say that "digital" could possibly encompass both cd's and mp3's. i said mp3 because i've noticed that some labels are doing online 320kbps sub-labels and whatnot. like hospital releasing their whole back catalogue on mp3, or dogsonacid's new mp3 service. beatport and whatever else is out there. ez

[Rufus Punk]

I buy from other DJs, Half-Price Books, and used to shop at Homebass.ca (R.I.P. good buddy).

The last vinyl I picked up was stuff I ordered through Eric Scholwinski, but would gladly order more if there was more coming out that was to my liking.

Most of my monies are spent locally on the hard plastic rather than the compact frisbee.