Poverty Sucks

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Belle

And what do you have to say to those people that work two jobs and go to school full time and are putting themselves in mass amounts of debt to learn that marketable skill so they can get a better paying job?

How about.... "good for you!" ?

Originally Posted by Belle

I for one am putting myself in mad debt to graduate from college so I can get that job that I can comfortably survive on, and while putting myself through school.....not my parents, I have been working numerous jobs so I can keep myself afloat at the bare minimum.

Not everyone in the US is blessed to have parents that will send them to school for free, or that can get a full ride scholarship!

So where's your complaint with Miles' comments?

1) You're getting an education
2) You're taking on debt in order to be able to earn greater income.... meaning debt you can handle.

If you are so broke... why in the world don't you qualify for a bunch of grants? In my case it was because I made too much money waiting tables or tanding bar to qualify... but I got all the loans I needed... and many I didn't

[Deff Gordon]

Originally Posted by Belle

And what do you have to say to those people that work two jobs and go to school full time and are putting themselves in mass amounts of debt to learn that marketable skill so they can get a better paying job?

I for one am putting myself in mad debt to graduate from college so I can get that job that I can comfortably survive on, and while putting myself through school.....not my parents, I have been working numerous jobs so I can keep myself afloat at the bare minimum.

Not everyone in the US is blessed to have parents that will send them to school for free, or that can get a full ride scholarship!

then work smarter. i busted my ass and worked my way thru school. lived on 3hrs sleep, driving back and forth between school in commerce, tx and working nights at the clubs in dallas.

[Belle]

Originally Posted by xian

How about.... "good for you!" ?



So where's your complaint with Miles' comments?

1) You getting an education
2) You're taking on debt in order to be able to earn greater income.... meaning debt you can handle.

If you are so broke... why in the world don't you qualify for a bunch of grants? In my case it was because I made too much money waiting tables or tanding bar to qualify... but I got all the loans I needed... and many I didn't

I've gotten all the grants I can get out of the government, and I too make to much to qualify for anything else. I had to get a few loans which will end up costing me well over $100,000 in the end.

So although I am taking on that debt to earn a better income I will probably end up still living paycheck to paycheck once I get that job for the next 10 years because I will have to pay off all of that debt.

My complaint with Miles comment is that the people that are able to go to school to get that marketable skill, to get that better job, are going to still live near the poverty line once they do get that job because they will be having to pay that debt off.

So basically you're fucked if you do and you're fucked if you don't I guess.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Belle

I've gotten all the grants I can get out of the government, and I too make to much to qualify for anything else. I had to get a few loans which will end up costing me well over $100,000 in the end.

Well, in that case let me add, "welcome to the club..."

Originally Posted by Belle

So although I am taking on that debt to earn a better income I will probably end up still living paycheck to paycheck once I get that job for the next 10 years because I will have to pay off all of that debt.

As I said, "Welcome to the club." I'm still paying on a couple notes from the early 90s....

Originally Posted by Belle

My complaint with Miles comment is that the people that are able to go to school to get that marketable skill, to get that better job, are going to still live near the poverty line once they do get that job because they will be having to pay that debt off.

Um.... welcome to the club. It gets better.

Originally Posted by Belle

So basically you're fucked if you do and you're fucked if you don't I guess.

Not at all. You think you are going to be fucked 10 years from now? Or, do you think you'll better off than the person with no education still waiting tables or digging ditches?

[Deff Gordon]

Originally Posted by Belle

I've gotten all the grants I can get out of the government, and I too make to much to qualify for anything else. I had to get a few loans which will end up costing me well over $100,000 in the end.

So although I am taking on that debt to earn a better income I will probably end up still living paycheck to paycheck once I get that job for the next 10 years because I will have to pay off all of that debt.

My complaint with Miles comment is that the people that are able to go to school to get that marketable skill, to get that better job, are going to still live near the poverty line once they do get that job because they will be having to pay that debt off.

So basically you're fucked if you do and you're fucked if you don't I guess.

so in the future, don't you think you'll be better off after the debt and the lifestyle getting there?

you got 2 choices... better yourself now and prosper later or just punch a time clock now and keep doing it later and never prosper.

i guess everybody expects immediate gratification. "i've just graduated... gimme my million dollars!"

[TheHawk]

Originally Posted by Belle

And what do you have to say to those people that work two jobs and go to school full time and are putting themselves in mass amounts of debt to learn that marketable skill so they can get a better paying job?

I for one am putting myself in mad debt to graduate from college so I can get that job that I can comfortably survive on, and while putting myself through school.....not my parents, I have been working numerous jobs so I can keep myself afloat at the bare minimum.

Not everyone in the US is blessed to have parents that will send them to school for free, or that can get a full ride scholarship!

I'd say "good work." You taking steps to improve the quality of your life, like Miles suggested, not just bitching about it like many.

And for the record, neither Miles nor I have degrees, yet we have marketable skills that pay well enough to enjoy comfortable lives. College does not guarantee success, nor does the lack of a degree guarantee failure. Learning a skill does not have to cost hundreds of thousands. Just because it's the method you chose for yourself, doesn't mean it's the only one, or even the right one for others.

[TheAmazon]

Originally Posted by -m-

Get a better job then. If you're not qualified for said job, find a way to learn up and then get it. Go to school or learn a marketable skill, and don't take on financial responsibilities that you damn well know you aren't able to handle. It's that simple. You either do for yourself or you don't. Nobody said it would be easy. I feel zero sympathy for people who can't provide for themselves here.

I agree with that to an extent...but

experience affect perception..so i'll go out on a limb here and still assert

that even with more and better equal access to education all men are indeed NOT equal when it comes to matters of the minds and skills, and even still then if that was the only determing factor in "making it"in life..what about all the OTHER people just as skilled/ qualified as you are...there are only so many spots in this system...

that's all i'm saying, i don't want to get into an e-argument but all i'm stressing is look at the other sides to the issue. like me, they always say, oh andrea..youcan grow up and be whatever youwant to be, i NEVER ate that bullshit there are "catalytic : conditions out there that dictate down to most people how high/ low they are going to be able to move up / down in their particular social strata.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by TheHawk

Learning a skill does not have to cost hundreds of thousands. Just because it's the method you chose for yourself, doesn't mean it's the only one, or even the right one for others.

excellent point... as much as I adore the liberal arts there are hundreds of thousands of baristas who graduated w/BAs making minimum wage + tips with six figure debt in deferment.... if one is financing college on gov't subsidized loans it is a good idea to get a marketable education rather than study the literature of seventeeth century Hungary....

[TheAmazon]

exactly why i'm going for an RN and not a degree in linguistics.

Originally Posted by TheAmazon

exactly why i'm going for an RN and not a degree in linguistics.

And why I chose to go to court reporting school and dropped my lit major, as much shit as I get about it on ddm.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by TragicallyUnhip

And why I chose to go to court reporting school and dropped my lit major, as much shit as I get about it on ddm.

yeah... but if you talked about being a lit major you'd take even more



the problem, imo, is financial aid. It has created a lot more access to colege - true. However, it has been the single most important factor in tuition increases. Additionally, see those baristas who can't pay for their degrees in seventeenth century Hungary literature. College is not a right, its not even a good idea for large numbers of people who go... fuck around and quit... or those lit majors for that matter.

[J. Fees]

Originally Posted by xian

excellent point... as much as I adore the liberal arts there are hundreds of thousands of baristas who graduated w/BAs making minimum wage + tips with six figure debt in deferment.... if one is financing college on gov't subsidized loans it is a good idea to get a marketable education rather than study the literature of seventeeth century Hungary....

liberal arts schools .... i could go into that for hours.

[juandingo]

ladies, try stripping. guys, try selling drugs to strippers.

Originally Posted by xian

College is not a right, its not even a good idea for large numbers of people who go... fuck around and quit... or those lit majors for that matter.

Well, it's ok to be a lit major if you pick up a teaching certificate at the same time (which is what I was doing). Otherwise, yeah, it's pretty pointless unless you get a PhD and become a professor.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by J. Feez

liberal arts schools .... i could go into that for hours.

pardon my cynacism but it cracks me up no end when you agree w/me